Bart, Lisa and Maggie as middle agers:

http://bot66.deviantart.com/art/Bart-Lisa-and-Maggie-ARLTCC-78667215

Micheal Di Amico age 29:

http://bot66.deviantart.com/art/Micheal-D-Amico-78665102

Fat Tony's old boss, Giovanni Vermicelli:

http://bot66.deviantart.com/art/Giovanni-Vermicelli-ARLTCC-78723241


Lisa's Ex Daniel Erikson Colin O'Brian:

http://bot66.deviantart.com/art/Officer-Colin-O-Brian-80350318

More soon.

Hate to break it to you, but they all suck.

Yes I know they are a little crude. I have drawn some by hand but I dont have a scanner.

Vanguard20
Err... okay... as you like. *shrugs* I just wanted to help.

To teach how to draw the characters maybe? It's kinda obvious isnt it?

ok... where do i start.... i dont think i can.... I cannot see any effort there at all, just like someone has spent about 2 seconds with a mouse and MS paint.

If you are serious about art then you need to take  the advice from those who give it. Dag gave spot on advice you need to follow to improve your skills, no need to shoot him down like that. He has shown that out of the discussion he will treat you like anyone else and offer his advice and help.

What you need to understand about these forums is that personal differences should be left out of these parts of the forums. In here we put any diffences aside to celebrate the skills, achievments and advice this section brings, same with the ither on-topic sections. We all know you and dag disagree big time about non relates subjects but this thread has nothing to do with that. Thats all that should be said on that matter.

Giving that attutude on here is more likely to make people laugh at you and not bother with even looking at your stuff and wont bother giving you ANY help.

With that said, if you do take this seriously, PLEASE take the advice of ANYONE who gives it and read some of the great tutorial stuff on here. Also if you have a camera, take some pictures of your sketches, that will suffice. Drawing on the computer can be vastly different from the tracing and freehand you do with a pencil, so in most cases you have to learn again. Now please just forget any past differences while in thiese sections and just enjoy where the path takes you!

Vanguard20
Yesterday (and a bit of today's) little discussion shouldn't spill over into the rest of the forum... I'm with everyone else here in the sense that personal issues really need to be forgotten quickly on a forum like this. It's like bad weather - it's here for a few days, and then it goes (well, at least in my little corner of the world ). I've had plenty of rows with people on here but I can't say I hold any grudges at all. And after staying here for awhile (if you choose to), you'll find that Serge is one of the nicest people you'll ever meet.

Okay... your drawings... I've gotta say, they do reflect little to no effort. I won't, however, be as cruel as some and just say "WOW YOU SUCK" (by the way Gary & Tiago, there really was a nicer way to put that instead of just saying "You suckity suck suck suck!" Think... what would Lisa do?). You just need to sit down for some quiet time with a pencil and a piece of paper, let your mind go, and your pencil will follow. Put some music on maybe. Get in the mood to draw something. And draw. In time, you'll get better. But if you just keep churning out 5 minute pencil sketches on Paint, you'll never go anywhere.

Hope this helps.

CalculatedChaos
That would be perfect.

Vanguard20
I still think you're asking for too much. Usually the ultimate end of arguments on a forum like this is the "agree to disagree" thing. We all have our different points of view, no matter who's wrong or right in the end. And the fact that Serge offered you advice in this thread is testament to what I'm saying - arguments like this usually don't lead to public grudges between members.

He could easily say the same about us, but instead he chose to offer you constructive criticism. He could've locked your thread out of spite, but of course he didn't. I'm just asking you to accept that Serge has a different point of view, and move on. Never mind who you believe to be right or wrong, or out of turn.

Well, when I wanted to post my Death Knight drawing I just gave it to a friend who has a scanner and let him scan it for me, then email me the document... I don't know if you have any stores over there with public scanners though? We have Kinko's over here, they provide copy and fax machines, as well as scanners and other computer-art related stuff for public use. If my friend didn't have a scanner I most likely would've taken it there.

Vanguard20
Okay, have it your way then. I'm just giving you my advice on how this forum should be treated.

Again, have it your way. Don't get your hopes up though.

You mean like borderline nudity? Not pornographic, but suggestive? I hope nothing too out there, we've already had a few explosive discussions on LTS about censorship, what is permitted and what is not. That aside, I would just grit my teeth and tough it out. If people get the wrong impression, then so what? They're strangers, why should you care. You'll see them today and then most, if not all of them will vanish out of your life forever.

I don't intend this to sound mean or rude or anything but... that statement kind of implies 'practice what you preach'. In all honesty, I haven't seen that from you much in regards to Serge.

Fair enough, but blowing off his critiques back on page one simply because he is Serge... is kind of disrespectful. Let bygones be, please.

I have a cellphone with a camera but I'm not sure how to connect it to the computer. Anyways its too much hassle. These are just some things I drew when I was bored.

Both sides are clear to see in the Ossetia thread.   As has been suggested, this probably isn't the thread to be digging it all up again.
Getting back to the art (which should be the point...), yeah, they're rough sketches but the model work isn't too bad on a few of them, it's just damn near impossible to get decent looking linework with a mouse.   If your phone has bluetooth, you could shell out for a dongle (unless your computer's already got it) or you can get a scanner for reasonable money these days.   Either way it'll cost, so it just depends on whether you think it's worth it or not.