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« on: June 03, 2008, 19:49 » |
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Everywhere here we have threads that is dedicated to love to Lisa. But what can you say on the only one question: how could you react if Lisa would be extremely angry at you? And how could you do if she never supposed to forgive you?
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 22:34 » |
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Not many answers, huh?  Lisa can get very angry only because of her beliefs. And I almost share those with her, so I'll explain how I'd behave if Lisa was a little angry at me: I'd honestly ask her of the exact reason of her anger, and if she couldn't explain it I'd tell her to calm down, maybe play the sax, until she finds the right words. Because I'm ready to accept the opinions of others, and she'd understand since she has similar traits. And I think she'd then forgive me. I've needed 15minutes for that text cause I really tried to imagine such a situation. Oh now it's re-submit 
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2008, 18:27 » |
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Has the initial post been edited? seemed longer yesterday...  Anywho, what can i say, it's hard to imagine such a situation because, of course, me and i'm sure a lot of other fans would like to think that Lisa is completely and utterly in agreement with all our quircks and defects and understands us. Sadly, that wouldn't be very realistic. I'm sure i'd manage to get Lisa very angry at me in many ways, many times. :\ I have all sots of traits she wouldn't cope well with, honestly. How would i react if she would have to yell at me because of that? Hm... i'd feel devastated for sure, but to say the truth, it wouldn't last long. Lisa is young and full of hopes and dreams, and it's understandable she'd like people to be either good or bad.  I'd try to make her understand that it's almost neve true, everyone has good sides and bad sides. Faults and rights, that kind of thing. Lisa should mature enough to be able to cope with my shortcomings. I'd just tell her that if she wants, i'd be ready to disappear from her life since when she'll be ready to understand and cope, or since when i'll change as a person. It's no use to hope that a simple yell can change a person, or the view that you have about said person. * SimpReal is too lazy to change anyway
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2008, 23:26 » |
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SimpRealHas the initial post been edited? seemed longer yesterday...  Hm.. can't remember, but I do know Gustavo's post is gone! =( I'm gonna go with Maléfix on this one for most of it. People get mad at me approximately.. never. And having a friend as precious as Lisa, I wouldn't even dream of disappointing her. If I'd for some reason ever let her down, there would surely be a good explanation, and one way or another I think she'd understand. Homer's got away with a few things without good explanations, right? ;x Now... let's forget everything I just said.  If she would get really upset with me, I'd of course be sad (whether she understands it or not) to have disappointed her. If there'd be absolutely no way to make things up to her I'd be devastated. Although I can't imagine a situation where I'd "realise" that. o_O I'd keep trying to set things straight in any way I can, while trying not to bother her by doing so. It's difficult to say what I'd do if I gave up, depends on what my life looks like overall at that point. At the moment I don't have anything to cling on to, so I'd probably go depressed and ignore my life for at least a few months. If things were good I'd probably make sure to keep earning my grades at school, do my chores and what not, but still be pretty sad for most part of the days. If things were really good and I also had some other friends that I enjoy talking to, I'd probably be sad at times, but still be able to enjoy daily life.
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2008, 23:37 » |
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I can imagine Lisa being disappointed in me in some ways I guess, a very bleak attitude towards issues like global warming and religion, let alone if she saw any of our Random Chaos footage, heh! Plus the fact I can be quite stubborn (apparently) to change my view. Though I do believe that I try to understand why somebody's view is different because I make my mind on which view I accept.
Nevertheless... I'd expect Lisa to accept me as I am, because I would want to treat her the same. But if there are irresolvable personality clashes, then I guess its not a bad move to go our seperate ways. I dont think its fair on either of us to try and change for the other person. Because those changes might clash with another friend... etc etc.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 23:53 » |
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I realise perfectly that with my endless laziness and ignorance I would be a PITA for Lisa. If we were near to each other, I can easily imagine situation when I disappoint her, even close to the bound of breaking.  What would happen afterwards? Okay it would make me very depressed, but, I wouldn't kill myself for sure, I wouldn't savour my depression either. I think I would wait few days and try and talk the problem over, to say sorry if needed. Lisa is a nice person, she is quite able to forget and to forgive, and time cures everything. But if, like Shadow Nait said, she would never forgive you... damn it would be awful.  The best way would be to move somewhere away and to try and live without hurting others. Maybe in several months she would find you and try to make things up... that sounds like a dream and therefore unlikely, but if that happens, don't miss your last chance. :-)
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2008, 16:42 » |
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Hey Miles I never said nobody was ever angry at me  No I won't post another one-liner 
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2008, 17:07 » |
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Lisa?? Lisa Simpson? Disappointed in me? The universe would collapse if that happen. Because it never happen. I disappoint nobody who I care for. All people know that. My family. My girlfriends. My friends. Even my former girlfriends.  What would be if Lisa has strongly disappointed in you?
Well, duh... it would be same as the situation any other important person to me would be disappointed in me. I would feel very upset with myselfe. Same with my girlfriend. If she is for some important reason dissappointed I try everything to make her happy again.
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2008, 19:06 » |
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I think an even more important question would be how she got disappointed.
Different causes, different reactions.
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2008, 21:30 » |
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oh that's true of course. But I think I'd mostly do what I already posted, if I wasn't already in a time-space-collapsed dimension...
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2008, 22:24 » |
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As I understand, this situation should be considered not from the point of view of Lisa's admirer, but from the point of view of intimate person to her. I badly imagine this situation, but nevertheless... If Lisa for any reason will be disappointed in me (it should be very serious reason), I would find the way to solve this problem. Despite of my age and experience I'd search for a problem inside myself.. I would think, what is the reason of her disappointment in me. I'd try to improve myself and after I'd try to return her kind attitude to me. Even if I had to change my outlook on things. And how could you do if she never supposed to forgive you? I really don't know. To leave and to forget... Maybe it could be possible... maybe not.
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2008, 00:06 » |
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Okay... I'll indulge in a little bit of hypothetical thinking here...
Assuming Lisa was real, and assuming she was a friend of mine, if she were to be upset at me somehow, I'd pretty much treat it like I do with everyone else. For example, a friend of mine gets mad at me, and I don't know why. I ask him or her what the problem is, and either they tell me and we work things out (usually), or they refuse to speak to me. At which point I just ride it out until they come around, which can be quickly when they realize that the silent treatment goes nowhere in solving problems.
Gary made a good point though - it really depends on why she's mad at you. I've had friends mad at me for a variety of reasons, some of them are my fault, some of them are their fault, some are just plain silly. So it's entirely circumstantial.
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2008, 03:06 » |
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MaléfixSorry, didn't proof read my post closely enough.  Fixed! G.H.Point there, I'll bet no Lisa fan here would imagine Lisa getting mad at you for a bad reason though. ^_^ But that's just 'cos she's essentially clay.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2008, 04:36 » |
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MilesWell, Lisa is just as human as the rest of us. If I recall in one episode last season she was upset at Homer because he was refereeing one of her soccer games, and made a fair call that was in favor of the other team. After this she became upset with him and wouldn't talk to him because he "ruined her life".  My point is, she's not perfect, plus she's eight years old. There's much plausible cause for her to be angry at someone, and for it to be her own fault.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2008, 05:09 » |
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Well, Lisa is just as human as the rest of us. If I recall in one episode last season she was upset at Homer because he was refereeing one of her soccer games, and made a fair call that was in favor of the other team. After this she became upset with him and wouldn't talk to him because he "ruined her life".  Though Homer was in the right. He was playing by the rules and had to give her a red card. Lisa finally managed to realise that, and he did a little dance for our entertainment.
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2008, 05:22 » |
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Gazmanafc Exactly what I mean. Homer was right, she was wrong.
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2008, 11:27 » |
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G.H.Lisa isn't a human like the rest of us.  She's a fictional character. I've already expressed my thoughts on that soccer game in another thread, to sum it up I completely ignore the latest seasons, the writers have just lost Lisa. I'm not gonna repeat the posts I made in that thread, but since she's fictional we can all make what we want out of her and stick with it. Or not, it depends if you care about her character or not. The Lisa I'm familliar with isn't perfect, but she does not get mad at people for bad reasons. And I honestly don't think she'd have a problem with the habits or thoughts of the forum members, it's not like she attacks anyone who's not a vegetarian/activist or someone who's lazy. Mostly she'll get mad at people for disregarding other people's feelings. People here don't, right? ^_^
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2008, 14:52 » |
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Miles Okay, so Lisa in your world is always right. I was just taking a practical approach to it, and allowing myself to pretend for a moment that Lisa was a normal person like the rest of my friends.
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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2008, 18:29 » |
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G.H. Way to not read my post(s)...
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2008, 22:09 » |
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Actually... if Lisa was real, she would be in my eyes something we could call a "perfect person". Perfection is not very human-like, but she would be such person I belive that there are persons like her out there... or they are very much alike. And why asking for the reason Lisa could be disappointed in a case... I guess IF she is it, she has a GOOD reason. Humans aren´t moody for no reason. Well, that is for me, after all, I would never disappoint! 
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2008, 23:19 » |
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Miles Way to not read my posts either... I said Lisa is "human" like the rest of us, not "a" human, as in a real person. I meant that she is intended to be a part of the human race, and as such is fallible.
I wasn't going to point that out, but since you've decided to forsake tact here... meh. And it did honestly seem in your posts like you were trying to say that Lisa wouldn't get mad at someone for a stupid reason.
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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2008, 02:05 » |
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G.H.You're still not reading my posts, I didn't ignore anything you said, I didn't attack your approach either. I did say that I'd have a hard time imagining the old Lisa getting really mad at someone for a stupid reason, yes. If you think about it, it's not really difficult for someone to live by such a standard unless the person is selfish, ignoring other people's point of view. And the more classic Lisa doesn't disregard other people, the soccer episode was ridiculus... and probably other new episodes, only watched few of em since I don't find it very entertaining anymore. But... I'm sorry for being a bit pushy (sorry to everyone really), I find myself being an annoying know-it-all or the likes recently.  I'll try to come on less ill meaning or offensive in my posts, I'm kind of slow with finding the right words though, I get way too picky about my choice of words unless it's more "on impulse". >_<
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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2008, 11:28 » |
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Let's not get entangled here in the same old topic about how Lisa is "less or more" human...  The topic after all is not about wether Lisa would or could get angry at you for any reason, but what would you think/do in case she got 
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2008, 21:33 » |
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I would be deeply upset with myself if i did something to hurt Lisa (as would I anyone I care about).
I would have to write to her in a letter how sorry I am and how disapointing her has made me disappointed in myself. And how I would be so sad to have damaged a friendship.
Hell I would write her a poen.... and I am the worlds worst poet, hopefully the effort in trying hard would say to her that I care and that I would do something so silly to put a smile on her face
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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2008, 23:11 » |
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Well, in the context of this topic, the "Real Lisa or not" discussion doesn't makes any sense. Because even not being real, she still acts as real person, not like a robot, for example.  Dealing with her offence would be the same as dealing with real girl's one. Imagine that you're writing a script/story where Lisa gets disappointed at the main hero and you should find the way to make things up in the story  you'll see what I mean. CargoOfDarknessafter all, I would never disappoint! Really? *disappointed*
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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2008, 08:40 » |
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Miles It's okay, if anyone comes off as less friendly or more stuck-up than they really are in their posts, it's definitely me. I'm just saying here that I don't view Lisa as any more perfect than the rest of us. Maybe she's mature beyond her years, but even mature people have their faults. I could see Lisa getting upset at someone for a trivial reason - the difference though between the mature and the immature, is that the mature are able to see when a problem is trivial, and make what reconciliations are needed.
I think it's safe to assume that even if Lisa were to get mad at you for reasons that weren't your fault, she wouldn't take long to come around.
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2008, 11:23 » |
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CargoOfDarknessafter all, I would never disappoint! Really? *disappointed* "...disappoint someone who I care for." Well... yeah... 
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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2008, 15:57 » |
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CargoOfDarkness"Because it never happen. I disappoint nobody who I care for. All people know that. My family. My girlfriends. My friends. Even my former girlfriends." That was a fu**ing hell proud bravado, you know, fella.  I don't believe you. Please, don't forget she's not like other girls, that you probably used to know. And the cliche in the relationships is not suitable to her, don't be mistaken here! I'm trying hardly to believe that... I'm even not counting her as a genuine girl (or woman, for those who's interested). At least not as possible girlfriend or so. I know it's strange approach, but it's my point of view and I believe it the only right way to do. I don't care too much about the other's feelings towards her if it belongs to... eh, love or lust, well, call it as you want. I believe she's not even a girl (hell, not a hidden boy too!  ), such a sexless intellectual substance. And from such roots I'm going further in my reasoning. --- Back on theme. If Lisa would be dissapointed in me hardly, if she cried at me, goin' hysterics, I would be shocked of course.  And very ashamed... well, you know all this little nasty things that assotiated with being an "adult". I know, she's a smart girl and can understand almost everything. But I'm worry about her uncontrolled reactions too. She's quite hot girl at times and can tell you right in the face everything, that she thinks about you. She's a young perfectionist with a hardly changeable opinion (if it's not her mum... or McCartneys in the flower garden on the roof  ) And do not forget that no one of us has meet her at least in a single time. When she has seen us, the adult men... when she has learnt that we are melting with her, she probably will act not too graceful for us. I think we should remeber it.
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« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2008, 16:30 » |
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@ ShadowNaitThat was a fu**ing hell proud bravado, you know, fella.  I don't believe you. What is your problem? First of all, I don´t care if you belive me or not... It is your choice to deside if you belive me. I never saw somebody beeing angry or sad with me and I was sorry. IF this was the situation, it was a person I want to annoy and I don´t care for him or her (possibly a school mate or bully). Just for your knowledge: I really never disappointed anyone deeply - and I am not going to to this in the near future. You cannot judge other people by your own experience. If YOU and many other poeple disappoint friends and known relatives, than is that your own problem. But don´t think everybody has to be this way. Cause I am NOT. I think before I act. I care for other´s feelings - as long as those persons are important to me and I have to live with them everyday. I don´t have to (and I am not able to) live with Lisa Simpson in person - she is imaginary. BUT, there ARE people very close to her in the world. And If I could meet her, I would probably be a good person to her and never disappoint her. If she is disappointed in me - I could never see a reasonably reason for this. And do not forget that no one of us has meet her at least in a single time. When she has seen us, the adult men... when she has learnt that we are melting with her, she probably will act not too graceful for us. I think we should remeber it.
What? We "are melting" with her? I know what I am doing and I think Lisa would handle very graceful with me. I mean, look: You are Lisa and you get realised into the real world. You know that you were or are a cartoon character. Or lets say, she was or is a TV-star. If she meet us, she would understand our fandom, our worshipping and our dreams. Cause she is something like an idol... So, after all, Lisa would never have a reason to be disappointed in me. Full stop. I don´t know what you guys are socialising... 
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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2008, 23:34 » |
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CargoOfDarkness"...disappoint someone who I care for." This sounds more like "I don't care about anyone who dares to be disappointed in me". The topic title is "what to do if that has happened", not "would Lisa admire me to the degree of ignoring every stupid thing I'm doing". So, "Lisa would not be disappointed" is not an answer... it only shows that you don't have any reserve plans in the case it would still happen.
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