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« on: November 27, 2006, 02:52 »

Well, Milhouse doesn't count Wink Bart can be called Lisa's friend with the same effect as her enemy... who else? Marge of course... and that's probably all. So Lisa doesn't have real friends in the show, only her family and several buddies who apparently don't care much about her. Why? Please try to explain your opinion... I have some thoughts, but will explain them later.
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2006, 10:46 »

That's mainly because of the writers and not because of Lisa. She used to have friends in the first few seasons, but for some reason they weren't her friends anymore after that. Lisa made some new friends in Summer Of 4 Ft 2, but we never saw them again in any of the newer episode. I think that's the last episode were Lisa had some friends of her own age...

You could say Lisa has some older friends. In the latest episode (Moe 'N' A Lisa) she helped Moe discovering his inner poet and Moe liked her, so you could say Moe is a friend. The same goes for Willy (My Fair Laddy from season 17) and probably some other examples I can't think of now Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2006, 21:00 »

I agree with Suusje: It's a "must be" of Lisa follwoing the show standards... she must always be without friends, it's part of her "TV persona". But as we all saw, she has no problems in making new friends, she just takes more time than others Wink
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2006, 22:30 »

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IMO, the greatest Simpsons episode EVER. Anyways, Lisa has a few good friends. Some that were not mentioned yet are: Allison, Alex, and Janey [I guess]. Even though
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2006, 23:54 »

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IMO, the greatest Simpsons episode EVER. Anyways, Lisa has a few good friends. Some that were not mentioned yet are: Allison, Alex, and Janey [I guess]. Even though
Very much agreed! It's among my top 3 episodes, together with "Lisa's Substitute" and "Separate Vocations". And although Lisa somewhat denies that she has friends, there are a few ones, such as Allison or Janey, like you mentioned. Marge is somewhat a "friend" as well, and so is Maggie - and I always liked the scenes where Bart treated her well, and when they played together. Obviously, Mr. Bergstrom was a great friend to her, and who could forget Bleeding Gums Murphy?
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2006, 19:30 »

Lisa seems to get along well more with adults than her peers. Case in point: Mr Bergstrom, BGM, That museum guy in Iconilast. There was an episode where Lisa was at the libary and seemed to know some of the people there.
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2006, 09:06 »

As some of you already wrote, Lisa do have friends. Well-chosen-friends! I guess it depends on the episode. In one, Lisa has friends, and in another one, she has not, because it has to be so for the storyline. In real life, I guess someone like Lisa whould have friends of cause. Us, for example. Wink
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2006, 08:59 »

^ he's right Tongue

and she does have friends, like janey for example... lisa and janey hang out at times but we haven't seen them hang out together since the current season started

nelson muntz... they went out together, and nelson helped lisa get back on sherri and terri. Smile

homer: they do some stuff together at times like when the painted houses fot the destitute, they do father daughter activites, and homer helped lisa with her scinece project(the nuclear reactor) Smile

these are just SOME of the people i can think of right now
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2007, 07:52 »

I agree with the overall response about Lisa lacking a lot of friends. I'm pretty sure that her character believes in quality more than quanity when it comes to friends. I do, however, remember a friend that hasn't been mentioned: Bleeding Gums Murphy! Although the character died, he was a close friend to Lisa in the few episodes he appeared in.
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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2007, 08:08 »

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That is very true, wise people know that quality > quantity.

And yes, Bleeding Gums deserves to be mentioned Tongue He was a great friend of Lisa's, even if he made only several appearences before his untimely death.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2007, 13:46 »

I do, however, remember a friend that hasn't been mentioned: Bleeding Gums Murphy!

Actually, I mentioned him in my posting above. Wink
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2007, 11:57 »

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My personal opinion about Lisa's lack of friends is simple. Other kids alienate her, while adults don't take her seriously. This sounds sad and rude, but this is true, to my opinion. Sad Other kids don't want to have friendship with Lisa, because she has different values and principles; sometimes they don't even understand her. As for adults... Springfield is Springfield, and the situation when even an adult doesn't understand Lisa and therefore doesn't take her behavior seriously, happens quite often. Lisa is smarter than many of people around her, that's why she is alone. I want to believe that that would change in her future, when she grows up a bit, but it's very likely that even when she still will be a lonely girl. Sad
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2007, 12:51 »

Like dagdamor said, but to sum it up... Lisa is way to unique for Springfield. She had those two friends from college, but once they found out she was only 8, they were disappointed  in her. Sad I think Lisa seems to feel more comfortable in company of older people. Remember her Mensa membership? But since she is only a kid she can't have friends like that yet. I think *when* she grows up she will have more luck in finding people who share her interests and passions and who will appreciate what she has to offer. Although life will probably never be too easy for Lisa, as it never is for people who want to change the world. I can't see her fitting in with majority. But that is why I love her. Smile
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2007, 17:19 »

Lisa is "doomed" to be ahead of her own time, and such people always have hardships in relations, especially in a world like Springfield: more so, cause Springfield is a theater for the most mediocre and lowest-common-denominator personalities that roam this green earth.
It isn't as simple as "being mature". If she was just more mature for her age, she wouldn't have problems with older people. The problem that keeps her from having any friends (other than the script) is in my opinion that she is just "too unique". She is such a fine blend of the better (and why not, even worse) things taken from every age... that she's just like a snow flake. You might find some that looks *just quite like it*, but it's still different.

I hope i made sense Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2007, 19:32 »

I don't know, actually, I would say Lisa is mature beyond her years. There are times when she shows her age, but generally she acts as an adult would, when it comes to decision making. I think the main problem is the people of Springfield. Their unwillingness to accept some of her views. Remember the episode "Lisa the Skeptic"? Prime example.

Children mainly shun her because, since she does well in school, she's considered "nerdy". While she is somewhat of an overachiever, it's important to remember why. It's because for her, grades are her only source of positive feedback. Her music and views are usually discouraged, but grades in the end will end up getting her somewhere. Unfortunately, this seems to upset her peers, who like to pick on her for it. *sighs*
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2008, 01:43 »

Like dagdamor said, but to sum it up... Lisa is way to unique for Springfield. She had those two friends from college, but once they found out she was only 8, they were disappointed  in her. Sad I think Lisa seems to feel more comfortable in company of older people. Remember her Mensa membership? But since she is only a kid she can't have friends like that yet. [...]

You're right. I do so, too. If you're intellectually talented, gifted or whatever the right translation is Confused older people understand you better. But Lisa can't have any friends because she lives in Springfield. The charas at this club (Database, E-Mail...) are designed after the typical prejudices. The ones that I know from the Mensa Germany camps are different. They listen to each other and discussions can really be fun! There is a famous quote that says "In a room with 12 Mensa members discussing you can at least find 13 different opinions. Big Grin So it's not directly cause she's a kid.

That from my part. Remember the Simpsons are cartoon and Matt and his guys have thought about in what situation they place Liz. She's not at lucid dreamin here Tongue
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2008, 07:03 »

i know right if i was a character i would beat the heck out of the people she hates then i would be there for her when shes sad and i would be a best freind ever.
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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2008, 00:49 »

I am actually sure she wouldnt appreciate you beating up people for her. Protecting her from an attacker is another matter but just beating up people isn't what Lisa is about.

In the long run I am sure Lisa would frown on violence against people in her name. I honestly don't think Lisa has enemies as such (except probably Sideshow Bob). There are people that she is not keen on and those who are not keen on Lisa.

I think Lisa is the kind of person who people secretly want to be friends with, but embarassment and peer pressure from classmates prevent that. I would think a few of her classmates actually look up to her.

When Lisa gets older she will have no shortge of friends. She has one of those personalities which attracts people, as an adult people will of grown up and realise what a nice person Lisa is.

If only Lisa was aware we existed lol.
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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2008, 00:56 »

You're right Emp. Also, I think she's right - I have a lot of problems in my new school with classmates beating me and such. But that's no reason for doing the same.
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2008, 20:00 »

I guess the writers never show her with them, but she does have them (see "Flaming Moe's" as an example)...maybe that's a missing piece of new episodes. Same for Bart, they rarely show him with anyone else except the family these days.
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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2009, 13:57 »

Do you remember that episode in which Marge recollect what her mother told her when she was young (as Lisa). If she was going out, she should smile and "absorb" her bad feelings. As Lisa start to smile, she instantaneously found "some friends". Luckily Marge told her after that she can be sad as much as she want to - and she would smile for them both. That's one of the reasons! I'm not sure if you can call her introverted, but this would announce her "friendlessness". Actually I agree that she has friends, but not friend as she should have - I mean in her own age... Who shares her world outlook? We, yes, but sadly that our worlds are different... one the other hand I think such a person, even if she would live in our world, you couldn't find her easily, they exist but in a very rare quantity - as our number of members clarifys. Wink
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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2009, 18:17 »

You speak so wisely...I totally agree Big Grin
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« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2009, 15:47 »

Yes thats true. Lisa has friends like Janey but no one who is like her.
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« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2009, 17:59 »

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"I think Lisa seems to feel more comfortable in company of older people. Remember her Mensa membership? But since she is only a kid she can't have friends like that yet."
I think what is this in fact? I mean such her adulthood. Is it something caused by her natural loneliness, or it's just a consequence of her bad relationship with peers? And therefore she searches for communication in company of the old people? Anyway I must admit she's really a kind of hermit beside her classmates. They all just a kids with their own lacks, while Lisa searches some eternal truths in their behaviour. And of course she couldn't find it. Same with the family.
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« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2009, 20:12 »

I think what is this in fact? I mean such her adulthood. Is it something caused by her natural loneliness, or it's just a consequence of her bad relationship with peers?
I think it's caused by both, at least as far as my experience goes. And agree with the rest.
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