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« on: September 03, 2007, 14:54 » |
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MaggieCute  Yeah, imagination rules. What does that mean by the way, the television had sky? :X Metaphorical, I can picture a TV that has sky around it or a television that has a sky in it when you look up at it.  Twisted and senseless! ^^ I think that you misunderstood "lucid dreaming", it may not be a commonly known term... lucid dreaming means that you are aware of the fact that you are dreaming, inside the dream. In this state you can control or influence the dream, like you have some sort of superior force. Lucid dreaming is a hard thing to master though as you'll most likely wake up from getting excited or doing something else wrong. Anyway, I don't think it's worth the effort, it's just sort of interesting. 
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2007, 23:36 » |
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KasperBasically like playing God in your own dream... control over everything. I don't know for sure if it's a well-known term, I am familiar with it though... it's quite commonly discussed on other forums that I browse from time to time. I think though, MC you may have mistaken it for something like "vague" or "hazy", however lucid is the exact opposite... meaning "perfect clarity". It's always fascinated me though, and I'd like to give it a try one of these days. Anyway, back on topic, we don't want to force Serge into another topic split. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2007, 00:22 » |
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I've had lucid dreams before, and they were usually great experiences. However, I have never been able to control my dreams. They just come naturally.
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2007, 13:52 » |
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Yeah, By Sky I meant loads more channles, That ariel thats put on top of your house and it gets all those channels for you, e.g. Sky One
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2007, 22:12 » |
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I've had plenty of these 'lucid dreams', usualy when a nightmare makes me poop my pants almost to the point of waking up, at which point I control whats happening and resolve the situation. Doesnt make me feel any better though, the thought of having to resolve a situation, is worse than not having a situation in the first place. On topic, no more Lisa dreams to report. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2007, 23:12 » |
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CasperAre these really "lucid" then? AFAIK, you can't call it a lucid dream unless you are aware of the fact that you're dreaming. If you're aware of it, you'll know there's no harm. I think I read somewhere that lucid dreaming can actually be applied to overcome nightmares... I guess perhaps I'm wrong, I personally only had one incredibly lame lucid dream. Not even worth mentioning. 
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2007, 23:41 » |
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Kasper Casper *sighs* Waiting for the topic split...
May I ask how one would apply one of these lucid dreams? I've never been quite clear on how to induce them...
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2007, 15:03 » |
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GeorgeHarrisonI never looked too deep into it and memorised it, but there are various methods for doing this, they all sound pretty logical. The only ones I can remember without picking my brain apart are that you can watch your clock frequently, every five minutes or so... look at the time, look away, wait a couple of seconds and look back. Such routines could influence your dreams and if the clock shows a different time the second time, you're dreaming. The second method is about waking up with an alarm clock at night and try to focus on something, don't remember, fall asleep again. Oh yeah, that one reminded me of something else where you're supposed to try and take control when you're in a state of being somewhere between sleeping and being awake. It's all really difficult to master, I think an "experienced" lucid dreamer could succeed once, twice a week. Having to practice all these things seems really annoying and boring, so although interesting, I find it pretty lame. The one lucid dream I had was after the first time I heard of it, and it was the last thing I did before I went to sleep. So I guess it was just still hanging around in my thoughts, and inside the dream I managed to realize that it was a dream! It was pretty short, because what I could do was very limited, and I instantly jumped from the current dream to a new one. Now, I was having this wonderful dream right before realizing it, and the lucid dream just ruined it, so I forced myself to wake up. Fortunately, once I had fallen asleep again, I returned to my previous dream. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2007, 20:35 » |
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KasperAre these really "lucid" then? AFAIK, you can't call it a lucid dream unless you are aware of the fact that you're dreaming. Yup, was aware I was dreaming. If you want the full story, I shall explain: Dream occoured many years ago. Little known fact, one of my greatest fears is volcano's (specificaly lava). I fell asleep and found myself next to one when it 'erupted'. I know enough about them to know that this wasnt realistic. It was a clear day, with perfect visibility. I saw a stream of Magma approaching below this large car bridge which I was near. At this point I'm guessing my fear made me realise it was just a dream. So I run onto the bridge where a woman was shouting things, at me to get away. I do remember telling her it was a dream which didnt really have an answer. On the bridge I found my uncle Mick in a Humvee. (which is extremely bizar, since I rarely ever saw him, and he drove a Discovery  ) So, with his car we drove down this nice country road, I can remember looking at the inner textures and interior of the Humvee (later when I saw what the interior REALLY looked like, it was quite different to my dream). Anyway, thats when I woke up. Visualy, the dream was quite detailed, but it was short, and didnt make much sence. I'm guessing if I wouldnt have known it was a dream I probably would have just done that horrible shudder thing you do when you wake up from a bad dream. Thats the only one worth recalling anyway.
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« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2007, 20:58 » |
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CasperWow, that's pretty odd... I'd just go do something reckless once I figured out it was a dream.  But yeh, I think that without actually knowing about lucid dreams, you might not react all that strongly to realising it's a dream. I don't know, perhaps I've had these a long time ago or something, it just sounds familiar. Thinking about the fact that you can't really think perfectly straight while dreaming adds up to this as well. Dreams are always odd, sometimes more, sometimes less, but there's always things that are way off. I suppose you're not exactly supposed to be able to think straight either while sleeping, such things would automatically be put on standby to let your brain rest. Enough of my equations that I can't put to words though. Brainz! 
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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2007, 21:54 » |
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I've had lucid dreams in my youth, but lately i don't get them anymore.
There are times thought when i'm ALMOST falling asleep and i start thinking about stuff and somehow they become almost dreams. It's never pleasant though, it feels like my mind if stuck into an unpleasant sticky numbness and when i wake up from it it's usually with a violent jerk of my whole body that leaves me wide awake and adrenalinic/scared for a couple of minutes.
I was never lucky with dreams ;_;
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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2007, 22:33 » |
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SimpRealAh, yes... those ones are really unnerving!  It's kinda of like lucid dreaming, it is different though. Good description, I can never recall what it feels like, but that sounds about right. Leaves me afraid to go back to sleep. :S Hope your dreams shapen up anyway! 
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2007, 19:35 » |
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I very rarely have lucid dreams. Remember only one that fits Kasper's definition, and it didn't make much sense either. In most of the case, I tend to enjoy, even indirectly, what happens in my dream, and apparently don't want to know that it's just a dream. Maybe that's the reason why I don't experience that boundary state often. But just several nights ago I had a dream that I don't even know which category falls in... I opened the drawer of my table and found a dozen of books by Gerald Durrell I never seen before. They were looking good, and I thought "woah, a great find (yeah, in my own table - lol), now I have something to read". But the next moment I realized that Gerald Durrell has never wrote so many books, so they can't be real. The scene has changed to something else, but when I woke up, I remembered it. The funny thing is, one of the books was real - I remember its title, "The Whispering Land", but others seemed to be unknown and random. And Casper, that was rather odd dream, but still an interesting one 
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2007, 18:39 » |
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I saw this topic, and of course I was not going to stay out since I've studied "Lucid dreaming" for quite some time now. I was completely hooked.
Lucid dreaming is not actually controlling completely your dream, but instead, it is knowing that you are dreaming. Thats for those who said that they can control their dreams which is impossible. You can react to whats happening to the dream in a diferent way while on the dream. One cannot control the subconscious mind and neither the unconscious, what happens while lucid dreaming is that some of that subconcious mind is used as concious mind in a little pertentage and so you can do things on a dream that not everyone can control, and even when you wakeup and fall asleep again you could continue somehow. But thats part subconciously done too, most likely you loved your dream or hated it too much that you are asking for it, involuntarily. There are so many ways to interpret "Lucidity" yeah, but in the terms of a dream, it means that you are able to recall your dream, and not right away on your first try, even for that, you'll need to practice it and explore how far you can go. Time will tell if you can completely remember the dream. Not everyone has the same ability to reach this point.
Does it has happen to you that you wake up and are sure that you had an amazing dream but you cannot remember nothing at all? Well, that is the purpose of lucid dreaming; to take that dream out of the subconscious mind and place it into the conscious mind.
If any of you are "really interested" in how to be a lucid dreamer, I have a book called the Genius code. There is a chapter about the topic, and with audio too. I can send it to you guys if you just pm me. I'd be glad to share the jewel.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2007, 18:58 » |
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@dagdamor It is time that all of those wonderful dreams with Lisa that you don't recall come out into the open. There are ways , buddy, there are ways. 
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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2007, 19:36 » |
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OPUSNah, I'm just not that kind of people. Most of the times my dreams are something I really appreciate, something more than my regular life. I just don't want to know that I'm just dreaming. I tried to learn lucid dreaming in the past, because I thought that "lucid dreaming" means "controlling your dreams", "seeing what you want". That would be useful indeed  but when I realized that "lucid dreaming" means only that "boundary state", I abandoned it. I keep having nice dreams sometimes, I can't ask for more.
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2007, 20:58 » |
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Thats for those who said that they can control their dreams which is impossible. Sorry, I completely disagree. Normaly I wouldnt but, this is something I've actualy done, though obviously cannot proove.  I tend to think of dreaming as random memories/imaginations in a semi-consious mind. I think that saying dreams are subconsious only, is like saying your lungs are controlled only by the subconsious mind. You can control your breathing, like dreams can be very loosely controled (in clearly, very very rare circumstances). ...and by controled, I dont mean you can dream and change the weather. When it happened to me, I could control what I said and where I went VERY breifly... the rest was the other part of my mind to decide. I didnt start the dream, and I didnt end it. Just shouted at a girl "This is a dream!", looked around, and run towards my uncles car as I saw it. Once I got in... autopilot must have taken over again... Now I wish it never happened because I'm going to sound like a friggin loon... 
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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2007, 22:35 » |
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Yeah, thats what I said. You cannot completely control a dream. But yes to a certain point like you said.
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Welcome Lisa fans I often have lucid dreams. It's since I read about it in a magazine. The way how I recognize lucid dreams is that I've never dreamed about a place where I could say I've ever been. Except at the beginning or end. And I even have once tried to wake up, it didn't work. So I act like I'd normally act. Except that sometimes I have telepathic or telekinetic powers that I don't use often (I don't know why). It's very very complicated to explain that...
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