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I'm curious now...why does Lisa look all freaked out?
It's just a random scene, Lisa's naked on her bed for whatever reason, but she's freaked out, and covering herself up.  What's the story?  Did some pervert come into the room?  Is it the teddy bear's fault?
Give me some back story here, please.

Welcome to the boards, TRJC (is an acronym ok? typing the whole nick all the times could be tiresome )! It's always nice to have a new artist around, and one of your caliber nontheless!

I'll talk about the subject of the picture later as i want to address once and for all a couple points.
Speaking technically, the picture is quite great indeed, very soft and crisp coloring, enough details to make the scene realistic and alive, but not too many to detract attention. I've seen quite a lot of animized Lisa to avoid being shocked anymore at the various ways she's depicted, and i must say i'm pleased with her expression there, especially because you kept the round eyes The details on the face are maybe a bit too marked (i'd make the purple less purple for example) but... it's stuff that happens in anime too. The hair is nicely done too, definitely a great starting pic.

Now.
It's pretty clear that there is something going on in the picture, but why are some people so interested in the backstory of this pic when they didn't care so much about the hundreds of even more "interpretable" pics on this very site? Just because this one had sexual innuendos?
For example Aoife, i really am glad you're visitng this board, but you never commented a single pic on this site, why are you suddendly so interested in this one? Don't you think it's seeming too much like wanting to stir up commotion?
and Janglewolf, here we go again... your tone is pretty harsh. You're both right, i guess no one here is pretending "Lisa is just changing clothes" here, so what? I would share your reserves if Lisa was depicted as a 8 year old here, but she's not.

And again, if you think this picture of Lisa is voyeuristic, then you must be coherent and treat all the pictures on the site as such: as in we're peeking into Lisa's life and we're not sure she would like it. Oppsedly, we could just treat this kind of art as all other art is. Our "what if"s, our "how would"s and our "wouldnit it be ---- if ---?".
So why oppose this much this one and not others? I'm just telling to be coherent here.
Also, Bra, i honestly, objectively i don't get any feeling of perverseness or danger out of this picture, not from me looking at it, nor from Lisa's expression. She's ashamed, it's quite clear. Im sure everyone would be ashamed despite who would be in the room: of course it's hard to depict complex emotions and it might be that TRJC didn't make a perfect job and it could be misinterpreted, but imho given all the details and the mood of the picture, to think that Lisa is about to be assaulted or worse is a way much longer stretch that just imagining she's been caught in a private moment.

I'm not defending the artist or the picture, i'm just trying to get you all to think about it rationally and avoid another big mess like it happened in the LisaLover's thread (if he/she will be pleased, that's surely nothing of our business). I'm the first to say that this is a borderline picture, but i also say that it has been treated with enough taste and skill to still be accepted. And to be more exact, there's also plenty of disclaimers before the link.

P.S.
Boy, am i ever glad i never posted "Bookworm" in here ^^; (j/k)

George, please. Don't throw fuel into fire. I know your reaction can be emotional sometimes, but this is exactly the case it will make things only worse. Besides, I disagree about that "if you don't like it, don't comment" phrase. This is true, but true only to the certain degree. We need different kinds of replies here, not only positive ones. And even if Janglewolf disliked it, he still has the right to say that. Just no need to directly offend others (and mentioning LSL was unnecessary IMHO, Jangle, I thought you want to forget about him instead of referring to him every possible time).

Please guys, more maturity and peace to the board! This picture can be questionable, but if it's questionable, say that it's questionable, don't say "it's sleaze". I nicely ask you to respect each other.

Well, seems like we have a hot-topic of the day, hm?

Janglewolf, I don't think TRJC is purposely posting this to appeal to Peeping Toms or anyone of the like, if you look in art books or paintings, there is a lot of nudity... I think this is simply something like that. You can automatically choose to assume the worst about LSL or TRJC, but I warn you not to write them off as "perverts" (I hate to use that word, but it seems like that's what you're getting at) because they seem like polite and friendly people... don't throw up your walls just yet.

That said, I still believe the picture is perfectly all right... regardless of what it is "hinting at", which it seems like people are hung up on, in all truth we hardly see anything here. And it's not eight year old Lisa, as Marco said, it's eighteen year old Lisa.

As for "cartoon nudity being disturbing" - it is. But there's a fine line between drawn and cartoon. Cartoon is non-humanlike figures, as clumsy as a term as that is. The Simpsons are a cartoony family - overbites, four fingers, etc., they don't look too much like real people, so nudity on that show is a bit disturbing. But here we have an anime-ish pic, which looks much more like TRJC was going for the human side of nudity. There is a difference, and I don't consider his pic to be a "cartoon".

I've just revised "s01e13 - Homers night out"
time (approx):9min40s
after Milhouse flaunts his copy of the photo to a kid in the library, and is
 persuaded without too much effort to make a trip to the photocopier. Lewis
 asks Bart why Milhouse gets a copy of his girlie picture but he doesn't.
 Before too long the photo has made its way throughout the entire school.

This is the same situation.

But on this forum everething is real    

Janglewolf. Please. We are trying to resolve this like gentlemen instead of resorting to childish name calling. If you so readily believe mmaavv is trying to insult you, then take the high road and ignore it. We know your point of view on these things, but if you so desperately need to reinforce it then please do it respectfully and maturely... like we should on LTS.

I did explain my personal opinion about the picture and I did explain my reasons for disliking it.   The fact is, that in my opinion it is voyeuristic and sleazey and that is the reason I dislike it - how else am I supposed to say it?   As for being offensive to a newcomer, well I find his picture offensive, am I not entitled to express an opinion on that?   Incidently, I am not opposed to nudity in art per se, it is the way it is used in this case that bothers me.   Marco mentioned his bookworm picture, a picture that I have absolutely no problem with because although there is nudity in it, there aren't the sexual connotations that are present in this picture.   I find it incredible that despite the obvious sexual subject matter and the artists own description you are still pretending that it is not intended to be pornographic.   Granted, it's not explicit in terms of which parts of the figure's body are exposed but the intent is as clear as day.   
Well, don't say I didn't warn you, it just makes me extremely sad that what started out as such a positive place has been left open, like so much of the internet, to the darker side of human nature.

I honestly dont think this pic will make LTS turn into some sort of "Playboy" magazine, but i wanted to put some things black on white, just to avoid other endless discussions.

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You dont understand why I am interested in knowing about this picture?  Naked, freaked out, teenage Lisa on a bed, and you really can't understand why I asked about the backstory, and why she's freaked out?
I'm a super curious person, I just want an answer.  Now that my question has been moved here, I'll probably never get it.
  I trying to cause a stir, or an argument, I just want to know.  If other people want to start things, by all means, deal with it any way you guys choose.  I just had a question, and I don't think it was such an odd one by any means.

XD let's just assume that everyone means the opposite of what they're saying. I mean come on, this thread is hilarious!

GeorgeHarrison
Believe it or not, this is not a serious discussion, it's just ridiculus. No one here is participating in a "discussion"... I'm gonna shut my mouth now though, I really don't wanna get on the wrong side of anyone. Which I probably did since I was stupid enough to post.

brakusaetsya
If you post it, they will come.

Kasper
It's not really a discussion, but it's still serious - yeah, I agree it looks a bit unfriendly right now...
But I'm trying to protect the board and its members. If someone would start attacking Aoife, or Janglewolf without reason, I'd do my best to defend them too. Fighting for peace, if this doesn't look too pompous. Same with Marco.

I'm even very glad that the situation with art acceptability is more or less sorted out now, and that we have a separate thread for discussing all questionable moments. Before that, all offtopic stuff was sinking right in the art threads, and that was no good. So, I think it's a change for the better.

We need a special thread where the various artists can post out their "marks", that they have some "questionable" art stuff. Then other people who interested in it wiil post a PM or E-mail 'em and then the author himself (only and only himself) will decide to send to the one who aks that questionable pictures or never do it. It can easy solve the trouble with art expression of artists who really want to do it and to separate thet very specific stuff from unwanted or immature eyes (from kids for example). The artist by his own will knew how much peoples will decide to ask him and no one from others will do it. By the way - artist can decide whether to allow to see his art to people who seem to be derisive, inicial, or just not so familiar enough. The artist can see by the acts of the participant whether it would be a... worthy person to share him. Or the person seems to be very curious or even perverted one, who came to forum and registered and even post here some messages with only one purpose - to get forbidden art as much as it possible. If the person seems to be really worthy and safe - the artist can determine it - then there will go simple e-mailing of pics. And answers with comments.
And - a very significant moment - no commets or even simple hints about the content of pics in "marks"-thread. If there will be any then admins should delete 'em. Each member of LTS who decided to look at such stuff must carry out it personally, doing it by the own head, not more or less. And to prevent the accidental escape of it there should be a names of files (with extentions) and full size in bytes. So everyone can look and see which picture he would like to see.
Anyway, if my suggestion still seems to you depraving you can easy blow it up to hell, I believe you can.

aoife
Er, first of all, it's not my pic I didn't draw it, I just accepted it, and even liked it.

Shocked? But it was damn well done technically (I hope no-one will deny that), and the most important thing: it featured Lisa grownup. If it was about little Lisa, I doubt I could tolerate it. But Lisa was mature, and she looked rather innocent and cute, nobody was abusing her there... *shrugs* I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but I still see no harm in art like this.

If you're still curious about the backstory, I'm afraid only the author can tell it to you. You can ask him via PM, although I'm not sure he still appears on LTS after such a "warm welcome" we did to him (I still feel dead ashamed about it ). But give it a try anyway. To me, the backstory is something totally harmless: for example, Homer butts into the room, making Lisa blush, he says sorry, leaves and closes the door. Things like that happen even in the real life sometimes, no need to make a crime out of them.

And about your words that you don't have time to comment art... sorry for clutching at them, but I'll reply, this is a very important topic to me. I hear that a lot lately, from different people. But look at the fanart board - people still manage to find time to draw pictures, and to comment a picture is way easier and requires less time than to draw it. I just want to say, if you managed to dedicate at least 5 minutes per week for writing positive/concritting replies to the pics you liked, that would help the whole community, because one reply provokes people to post more, and the only reason that usually prevents people from commenting, is not lack of free time (if someone has no time to comment pics, he/she also has no time to browse them), not indifference (same reason), but simple laziness IMO. We all have to fight it.

GeorgeHarrison
Okay. Sometimes it's hard to stop me, I admit that.
I'll try to leave this topic alone.

P.S. Can I at least reply to Yggdrasill's suggestion?