(Split from this topic)

O.K., this clinches it.

Am I the only LTS member SO in love with Lisa that ... I don't necessarily imagine her with her clothes on all the time?

Sorry, I could only ask this under an "anonymous" account. 

The moderators can move it if they like.

So presumably you're an existing member?   In which case you may have already seen this topic where this sort of question has come up.   And personally speaking, what I said there still stands - be very careful where you're going with this.

As for suggestions, and because it kinda is a topic that deserves a thread by its own, i'm splitting the topic and moving it to the general discussion club.
I'm too tired-knackered to be of any help, so while i recover please behave

LisaSimpsonLover
May I ask a provocative question?
Do you have similar kind of attraction towards other cartoons' character(s)? Or Lisa is your only love, both in the real world and in the drawn one?

This is an interesting discussion point. Mainly because its so controversial.

Now, when you first said it, I was a bit worried what path this was leading down, which in the worst case senario, concerns a naked eight year old girl. However, you mentioned the word 'girlfriend' which changes my thoughts completely.
You could be 16 or 36, but if she was your girlfriend, presumably, she'd be a similar age in your imagination. And with that in mind, I guess its fine by me. Problem with imagining Lisa without clothes is, other people are obviously going to asume you mean the Lisa Simpson, from the TV show.  

This isnt really answering your question though... and I guess the only answer to that is, I'm not a 'true' LisaLover in a sence that, I share love with another, and Lisa is more a role-model than anything else. So I cannot answer the question. However, I presume your not alone.
Being on the verge of what I can get away with saying: Everyone has an imagination, and if they love somebody for so long, naked-ness is more than likely just a link in the chain of love. If your humanist, like me, then sex is probably the greatest physical bond you can share with another individual, as marriage is just a religious ceramony, with no 'modern-world' meaning.

With this in mind, I can full well understand why somebody in love with Lisa, would have these thoughts. Its very normal.

Interesting...

LisaSimpsonLover
And yet again, I will say this is what I have experienced Not anymore though, but when I did have feelings for Lisa, it was like this. I didn't see her as a typical eight year old, and so my sexual desires for her did not cause me to feel like a pedophile. Her intellect and maturity remind me of myself, and I think this was one of the contributing factors in my romance for her. I tend to fall for people with matching personalities. Lisa was like this because of her maturity, and caring nature. Kim was like this because of her similar musical tastes, interest in guitars, and also her maturity and friendly manner.

Love can make anyone beautiful. It's the most attractive garment anyone can wear. And for a time, Lisa wore this love that Kim wears now; and so in my eyes, she was attractive in every way, including sexually, and I felt no guilt over this.

Suusje
People tend to think of you as a freak and a pedophile for loving Lisa because loving Lisa is not a common thing. Most people are insensitive to such things, and thank God that I have had this experience of loving Lisa to understand where such people are coming from. I may not feel it anymore, but now that I have at least experienced it, I can say that I can understand them. Unfortunately many people who do not understand it, choose to mock those who feel it, because to them, this person has basically fallen in love with an EIGHT YEAR OLD, FICTIONAL girl. And they think that is stupid, scary, perverted, and a variety of other negative adjectives Well, in a place like LTS, people like this are shunned, and LisaLovers are welcome.

Well, I still maintain that this was covered in the other thread so it's a shame to be dragging it all up again.
Look, I am not trying to mock anyone, I am being very serious on this.  To me the idea of someone thinking about eight year old Lisa in a sexual way is extremely distasteful.   As I said before, so long as it is confined to a fictional character ONLY, I can deal with it, but I'm not going to pretend that it doesn't bother me.

I'm basically going to say what others said. As long as you're not going so far as looking at Lisa pornography [God foirbid that there would be any], simply loving her for who she is is quite normal. Now, considering the fact that she is fictional, I do not think it is classify one as a pedo, if you are keeping it in the context of fictional characters. If it goes outside those bounds, then that's the point when you should definitely start to worry.

Ok, you're talking about a fictional character here, but I still find this language to be disturbing.
  I am NOT calling you a pedophile or a sexual abuser, but this is the kind of mentality that people who abuse children and young teens have.  He's only 9 but he's so mature, she has the body of a 12 year old but the mind of a woman, etc.
 If anything, please be aware that you are thinking like that.  If it bothers you, maybe you should talk to someone.

Unfortunately, I know a lot of people who have been sexually abused, and growing up in NYC, I have had all kinds of unpleasantness with strange men about town, since I was 10. 
I don't know what it's like to walk in your shoes, or be in your mind, but you need to know how dangerous that type of thinking is.

I'm sorry if this upsets anyone on the board, my intention was not to start trouble.  This comment genuinely disturbed me, and when it comes to something of this nature, I don't feel like keeping silent is the right thing for me to do.

It's been interesting seeing the diverse reactions to this.  I expected more harsh, and fewer tolerant (and outright sympathetic) reactions than there have been.  This includes the tolerant/sympathetic ones that were later mysteriously deleted. 

I'm left wondering what would happen if LTS allowed non-erotic nudity..............................or even the sexy but still tasteful kind featuring adult Lisa.

Anyway, there's one last thing I want to comment on, and it concerns the subject this thread has drifted to:

I am NOT calling you a pedophile or a sexual abuser, but this is the kind of mentality that people who abuse children and young teens have. [...] you need to know how dangerous that type of thinking is. [...] This comment genuinely disturbed me, and when it comes to something of this nature, I don't feel like keeping silent is the right thing for me to do.

I understand what you mean.  It's true, many real-life predators do abuse this line of thinking to excuse their actions, claiming exactly what you've said: "she had the mind of a 25 year old."

But I'd like to emphasize one thing.  The social norms surrounding relationships between adults and minors don't exist because of physical body attributes or birth dates.  They exist because most young people lack the intellectual maturity to comprehend the full parameters and consequenses of sexual relationships, and the ability to understand when wiser, more sophisticated adults are persueding them to think they do for their benefit.  In other words, the age of consent concept, which is the basis of society's objections to adult-minor relationships, exists precisely because of the intellectual maturity factor you're suggesting black and white age makes moot.

Of course, there are few, if any, eight year olds where "she had the mind of a 25 year old" even begins to make sense.  But if there could be any exception to this at all, a character like Lisa would be it.  Unless we've completely lost sight of what Lisa is, we're talking about an imaginary character whose intellect and personality, to avoid any beating around the bush, reflects those of 20 to 50 year old television writers and producers.  Yes, she's cast and drawn as an eight year old, but those who develop romantic feelings for her aren't developing feelings for her as a child.  They are falling in love with the composite mind and personality of real, authentic, very mature, fully grown adults.  And while her "scripts" sometimes call for Lisa to do childish and silly things, her overall nature -- that of the men and women behind the curtains pulling the strings -- is what counts to people who develop these feelings.  That is why most people with romantic feelings for Lisa say they feel the way they do about her regardless of the ages she's depicted at.  Her intended fictional age at any moment means very little to them compared to what she is, substantively.

So I hope everyone can understand why I don't consider these points valid as far as Lisa goes.  They overlook the crux of why society condemns adult-minor relationships (mental maturity), and from there, why Lisa is the biggest possible exception to that reasoning of them all.

janglewolf
Please calm down. From what I've seen so far, LSL is clearly NOT a "cheap and nasty" porn addict. Although I don't agree with some of his comments and agree with you in the sense that this can go dangerous places, it gives you NO reason to blast him like this. I remember when I had an attraction to Lisa, and I'll say it again; this attraction was all encompassing, so I was physically attracted to her. But you need to see the larger picture; these people who feel like this, be it LSL or anyone else, are not attracted to eight year olds on the grand scale. They've simply fallen in love with the mind of this character Lisa. And as long as it doesn't go anywhere, this is perfectly all right. As I've said, you're overreacting and I urge you to reconsider what you've said... having been to a place like this before, I know just what kind of reaction your comments may instill. I don't think this is a justification of pedophilia; from his postings, LSL clearly has a head on his shoulders (although this was an odd thing to post). Please do yourself a favour, and don't sink to the level that I've seen other people sink to.

Now, about allowing "non-erotic nudity on LTS" - no. Just, no. This site is not for people to look at Lisa's figure, you do that on your own time, however if you do, I'm very disappointed. I never did this I'm proud to say, even if I was physically attracted to her. Looking for Lisa porn on the internet just goes too far, and as previous posters have said, it ruins the beauty of her character. Even nude pictures of her, just... no.

Sorry, people. At worst, I anticipated silence or a few derisive remarks to my half-hearted suggestion. Nowhere near this much furiously negative emotion.

I'll just drop the entire subject. I don't want to see this wonderful forum bruised by a flamewar, either.

See Janglewolf, despite who LSL may be, or that I disagree with some things he's said, he's had the dignity to remain calm and even meek in the face of your furious outburst. Next time think before you type; it's a lesson that we all must learn. And like Serge said, if this topic bothers you, why post? Posting a flame like that is not going to help the person at all. And it's not something you want to hear from someone when you're in a situation like that. Lord knows, eventually the person will begin to think "I must be some kind of freak", or "I'm such a sick bastard, I'm so ashamed of myself", even though they aren't. And if you're having erotic fantasies about Lisa okay, well, at least you're not hurting anyone. And so far from what I've seen, LSL doesn't take this to real life.

Hence my prior statements, people telling them "You need to get help man. Talk to a doctor or something, but you're one sick fuck." And they start to believe it, even if they aren't.