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« on: July 01, 2007, 10:23 »

I was finally able to set up an official SMF forum I am proud to announce the release of SFCv3. Also, for Kat's site, A Lisa Story, this is also the official forum for that, too.
http://simpsonsfanclubv3.hostclix.com/index.php
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2007, 10:30 »

Yay! I just joined Thanks Chris!
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2007, 10:54 »

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Hmm... I don't understand why you created a separate forum for such a small site.
ALS is a site similar to "Lisa's Pics", but as you can see, Suusje decided to link to LTS instead of creating his own forum. This looks more logical to me - one Lisa-dedicated site, one Lisa-dedicated forum.

Repeating myself, unless you're creating something new and unique, or the existing projects aren't looking good/friendly enough for you, don't spawn sites or forums! Support existing projects instead of creating your owns, that's the best way. And if you still want to have your own forum, at least don't create dozens of empty sections in it. Boards without topics only scare visitors. My humble opinion (although I've seen so many similar cases already).
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2007, 16:46 »

Spawning sites is okay in my book, I actually encourage people to create their own website. But I don't with a forum, even if it does use SMF. Tongue

I'd establish some sort of a hold before setting up the forum. A Lisa Story for example has been up for what? Two days?
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2007, 18:17 »

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Repeating myself, unless you're creating something new and unique, or the existing projects aren't looking good/friendly enough for you, don't spawn sites or forums!
You didn't even LOOK at the forum before judging it, did you? First of all, the forum isn't just for ALS, it's also for SFC. Second, I've been trying to get SFC out of the criticism of other simpson forums for about a year now. Not because they said it had boring content, because, quoting Gary from several times before, "There is no room for more simpsons forums." may I remind you that this quote was also said before LTS was made, thus, there is room for more simpsons forums. I'm not saying that I want SFC to be popular, I just want to not be criticised for my efforts on making a forum. I worked hard trying to get this forum up. All I ask is that you don't automatically pass it off as "just another crappy attempt at making a forum."
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2007, 18:24 »

"There is no room for more simpsons forums."

I never said that. What I say is that it is pointless to start a Simpsons forum unless you have something unique. And at the moment, it doesnt. It takes luck now to create a successful Simpsons forum.
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2007, 19:10 »

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I don't know, the site looks like it could grow to me. I could be wrong, but give the man a chance. And he has a point, he probably worked hard to get it up and is proud that its finally running, so don't beat him down about it... that's my opinion, though I see this coming dangerously close to a flamewar topic, so if you will, remember common courtesy and take especially sharp messages to PM's? Thank you.
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2007, 20:25 »

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First of all, sorry if my previous post sounded offensive.
But try to understand me too: you are a member of LTS, and all of a sudden, without any notice, you open another, your own forum, for no visible purpose. This sounds kinda sad to me: if you want to maintain your own discussion place, that means LTS doesn't sound good enough for you, that you don't like it, otherwise you'd try to help this place instead of forking another one. Understand?

If you talked to me before opening it, I'd try my best to reconvince you, because like I said, I've seen many similar cases in the past, when someone created a forum, failed to make it popular and finally abandoned it, making himself depressed about a waste try. I don't want this to happen with you, I need you as a member and as a fan, not as another forum administrator! Not necessary a member here, if you don't like LTS, you can talk anywhere else - NHC, MT2, GFWC or whatever. But creating a place for your own doesn't sound right to me.

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Of course I did! Man, I wouldn't post anything before looking throughoutly at your forum.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2007, 21:43 »

Disclaimer: If anything sounds harsh, especially to you Chris, in the following message, it is not intended its just speaking from personal experience.

And he has a point, he probably worked hard to get it up and is proud that its finally running

Um.. actually, under normal circumstances SMF isn't exactly hard to install, most of the time, it's a breeze for anyone to install and would be done in three minutes flat. The reason it took Chris slightly longer was because the install.php wasn't accepting his FTP info at Stage 0 and CHMODing files correctly. For anyone, I don't think that's really much of an accomplishment.

But really, I'm with Dag here. We've seen plenty of forums that people have created die because there simply doesn't need to be any more, rather than trying to establish your own forum which these days will require luck and a lot of design and coding skills which many don't have and they just don't bother trying to learn either. Most people seem to think that they can make a forum popular just because its Simpsons related. No - because you have the NHC to compete with. I'd say just post as much as you can on other forums and build a reputation of helping others out, while building maybe a website or two on the side (but no forums Tongue)
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2007, 22:01 »

Yeah, I think it could work. But I think those horrible ads will scare away potential members. And it also makes the forum load so much slower (even with my connection it loads about 5 seconds slower with ads than without).

The categories/subforums look okay, but if I were you, I'd really change "Whining Complaints" into something else. People who have suggestions or complaints aren't automaticly whiners. Tongue

I hope you'll be able to make a successful forum. Smile

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rather than trying to establish your own forum which these days will require luck and a lot of design and coding skills which many don't have and they just don't bother trying to learn either.
Why does it require a lot of design and coding skills? Because SMF's template system is a pain in the ass? Tongue NoHomers.net also uses the default vBulletin template with some different colors and that forum got big. So your argument doesn't really make sense to me.

Who hardcodes images into files that don't have a thing to do with the template system anyway... Confused
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2007, 22:13 »

Um.. actually, under normal circumstances SMF isn't exactly hard to install, most of the time, it's a breeze for anyone to install and would be done in three minutes flat. The reason it took Chris slightly longer was because the install.php wasn't accepting his FTP info at Stage 0 and CHMODing files correctly. For anyone, I don't think that's really much of an accomplishment.

I don't know what Chris's experience with programs like this are, but mine is very little, and so if I was able to get a forum up and running, I'd be proud of my work. My point here is, he's happy that he's got his forum running. I'm not asking you to be happy for him if you simply can't, but it seems a little rude to come here and say "Well, this is a piece of cake, anyone could do it". Confused

Also, @ Serge, if he wants to run his own forum, then let him. Your comment about needing him as a fan and a member, not an admin, was a little... I don't know... sordid. It seems selfish almost - you're telling him not to do necessarily what he wants, but to stay here, help this community instead, help my forum, not yours. I mean, I don't see how this new project is going to harm LTS; you make it seem like he's setting up a forum community solely based on raiding LTS Tongue I'm sure this won't get in the way of our community, and if Chris wants to pursue other endeavours, then good for him. He's a good person, and nobody should be forced to participate here, least of all told "No don't do this, we need you, you have an obligation here".

I'll admit, a lot of my recent posting here has actually felt forced, because I don't really have it in me to say anything, but feel like I need to. This is why I took my little break about a week ago, I mean everyone knows that it was mainly because of my situation with Kim, but I was also feeling forced to post, and I was sick of it. So I separated myself for a couple of days. My point is, don't tell people you need them - you don't, if I were to leave tomorrow, LTS would survive; likewise with Chris. Which I'm sure won't happen just because he decided to open a forum of his own. Smile
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2007, 22:22 »

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AP, I'm sorry for the criticism me and Gary made here. But let me try once again to clarify things: I don't consider your forum badly done. In fact, I see that you spent much time creating it, not only with installing and configuring it, but also with thinking about its structure, with creating all those sections and descriptions, new threads, RPG rules and such. But that's what worries me! If you did all that half-hassedly, I wouldn't bother at all. But right now SFC shows that you care about it and dedicate much of your time to it, like making a big investment into a new business. But let's face the ugly truth, the chances that your forum will be recognized are very little. Sad Like Gary said, when NHC is there, creating another canonic (i.e. not special/unique) Simpsons-dedicated forum makes no sense, unless you plan to spend several years developing, promoting, advertising it. And I don't want you to do all that, because other forums most probably will lose you (and Kath) as good members for these years, and I will be very sad about it.
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2007, 22:28 »

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Also, @ Serge, if he wants to run his own forum, then let him. Your comment about needing him as a fan and a member, not an admin, was a little... I don't know... sordid. It seems selfish almost - you're telling him not to do necessarily what he wants, but to stay here, help this community instead, help my forum, not yours.

That's not my forum, that's our forum. And the major reason I don't recommend AP to create his own forum is because of my personal experience in it. I know very well that building up a new forum can be very interesting and exciting, but I also know that monitoring it afterwards, willing to see new members and topics, but seeing nothing instead can be very depressing. That's my main reason; not the desire to keep LTS "solid" (although that's true to some degree, too). And of course I don't think about myself only here.
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2007, 22:34 »

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While it's noble of you to be looking out for him like this, sometimes I think the best way is to take a chance and if nothing good comes of it, to learn from it then. I think if Chris wants to attempt to monitor his own forum community, give him a chance; maybe he will be more successful than you, maybe he will be less. But I think in a situation like this, we can all learn from these words of wisdom from Teddy Roosevelt: "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither suffer much nor enjoy much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." Smile

As for keeping LTS "solid", well like I said, your comments sounded a bit selfish to me. Like you were trying to convince him to put all his effort into LTS instead. Perhaps I was mistaken, but that was my first impression.
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2007, 22:41 »

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Not "put all effort into LTS instead"! Grrr, I never wanted to make anyone feel obliged to post anywhere. If you don't want to post, don't post. If you want - feel free to. You like trying to say something like "look, Serge is afraid that Chris will go away and LTS will fall into pieces, so he tries to stop him and force to post here." No. I'm not forcing anyone to post here.
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2007, 23:09 »

Dag - There was no need to include my name, I had a disclaimer. Wink But I stand by what I said.

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Like Gary said, when NHC is there, creating another canonic (i.e. not special/unique) Simpsons-dedicated forum makes no sense, unless you plan to spend several years developing, promoting, advertising it. And I don't want you to do all that, because other forums most probably will lose you (and Kath) as good members for these years, and I will be very sad about it.
This is the important thing. Unless you spend a very long time advertising, maintaining and developing it, it wont get very far on its own. You have to really think about more than just "Oh this is the Simpsons, we're gonna get popular" you have to think about the competition as well IE: "Okay, I want to create a message board but with the amount of competition will it really be worth it" if the answer to that is yes, then GO AHEAD! But if the response will be "Hmmm... maybe I shouldn't create one, the competition is too great" then dont.

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I'm not saying of course there isn't a shred of hope in the world that this will be a success, but it will just take a bit of effort.

Like for example get a custom theme and edit it to kingdom come, add a few interesting custom modifications as well. As a member of the SMF team, if you ask for support, I have to support you regardless of what I think. So what I think isn't really anything relevant anymore. If you want support for editing a theme or something, just let me know on the community forums. I work very well with themes and pretty much know the template system inside and out.

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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2007, 00:33 »

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Pardon me saying, but my assumption was based on your actions. You're very interested in seeing LTS thrive, and cringe at the thought of losing members or activity. This isn't a bad thing; it's good to have an admin care so much about a forum. There would have been a time when I supported you in this, but that time is over. Sometimes though I feel forced to post, due in no small part to the way you treat posting, like a job instead of something to do because you want to. I'm not accusing you of anything, really; just pointing out what I saw in your previous comments. And I'll also say, I don't think it's right to use a member's "responsibility" to LTS to discourage them from starting another forum if they want to.
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2007, 00:39 »

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Okay, I see. It was sad to know that you "felt forced" in the past to the degree that it even pushed you away from the forum, but I'm glad you decided to come back after some time. Maybe LTS still has something to return to, not only me in a role of an ancient Egyptian slave-driver. Mad
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2007, 01:11 »

that's my opinion, though I see this coming dangerously close to a flamewar topic, so if you will, remember common courtesy and take especially sharp messages to PM's? Thank you.

I need to say little less. Please, keep the off topic stuff OFF topic... thanks.
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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2007, 02:01 »

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Um.. actually, under normal circumstances SMF isn't exactly hard to install, most of the time, it's a breeze for anyone to install and would be done in three minutes flat. The reason it took Chris slightly longer was because the install.php wasn't accepting his FTP info at Stage 0 and CHMODing files correctly. For anyone, I don't think that's really much of an accomplishment.
Maybe to you it isn't, but to the unexperienced person, it is quite difficult to install SMF.

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I have absolutely nothing against LTS! Smile It's just that I wanted to feel the accomplishment of successfuly setting up a forum, as well. The reason I didn't tell anyone was that I was afraid they would discourage me from making forums. I wanted to at least try it before the idea was trashed, because it happened to SFCv1 and 2.

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all of a sudden, without any notice, you open another, your own forum, for no visible purpose
Not quite "all of a sudden". Like I said, previous versions of SFC have been open for about a year, now.
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