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« on: May 23, 2007, 14:07 »

You all know how much I'm obsessed with the "Winged Lisa" idea. I will try to explain my thoughts about it, and I will do it... later. Smile While I'm still struggling to find the right words, tell me what you think about it, about that "trend", especially in fanart and fanfiction!
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2007, 14:20 »

The idea itself is a very good one. She does reperesent the good of the family in general terms, so comparing her to an angel seems like a good original idea.
... except, its not original. Its been done and done and done, so why has it not been a passing trend?

Probably because the same reason bands of all catagories are forever writing love songs. Because they mean something that we can relate to. Relating to a winged Lisa sounds silly but, Lisa relates to the angel so it kinda works I guess.
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2007, 14:44 »

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I don't think it's anything odd or unusual, though I will admit when I first joined LTS I was a little confused as to what a "Winged Lisa" was Gigi I don't think it's really unoriginal, I've never seen any other winged Lisas except here... and it's taking it a step further than just "she's a girl with wings", writing fanfiction based on how she got them, and attempting to live with them, I think it's quite interesting. Smile
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2007, 18:45 »

I have to say that I continue to be very positive about the whole winged Lisa thing.  The original Wings round-robin was a great story and it's a shame it died out before it came to a conclusion but there's no doubt that it has been a source of great creative inspiration to a lot of people.   I can appreciate why some people got sick of it all as it has been a bit over dominant at times, but I never got tired of it.   Aside from the connection to the original story, I'm still not really sure why I like it so much.   I think wings just seem to suit Lisa for some reason...   Lisa
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2007, 19:23 »

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Shame on me, I never had read that round-robin. And your great fanfic I've read much later after I saw all winged-Lisa pics. So, for me at first it was aesthetic pleasure. I saw brilliant pictures with her, and I was really impressed. And I hope someday you'll find time to add new masterpieces to "Lisa's Wings" projects Smile

So, I liked Lisa as a unique person and these wings were really beautiful. I prefered to think she is not angel, but... more a bird, I think. As a metaphore, you know... Lisa's abilities to find happiness through all problems, to struggle - what that wings mean to me. Later my opinion changed, but wings still really good symbol to show what a unique and great person Lisa is.
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2007, 20:51 »

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Maybe because of some cliche, which were settled in fanart. I don't know what pictures or fanfics have formed your such sights, but as I can judge such tendency to "angelise" Lisa exists since about 2004 thanking to unforgettable GFWC... Nevertheless I always liked her such representation, she looks really magic with her wings and not similar to anyone. But I have no possession with such "angeLisa-idea", I rather ready to accept her as a little birdy-girl. Big Grin
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2007, 07:51 »

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Ooh, I can definitely say what have turned me into the whole idea - this drawing by Marco. It was the first "winged" picture of Lisa I've ever seen. It was something charming, something you wanted to see for a very long time, but didn't have a chance to. I'm perfectly serious here - it was a real shock for me, after looking at this picture for hours I've started seeing that in my dreams! Nothing ever affected me such strong way before. And only one picture had nearly the same effect afterwards.

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I agree about the GFWC Round Robin - it was a great inspiration to many people, and it was really well written, if only way too angsty in places. I hope that piece of writing will resurrect someday, because it still has its best times ahead. Turning Lisa's gift from curse to bless, allowing her to use it in purpose... the descriptions of little Lisa enjoying the flight, the total freedom... that would be the real gem of the story, to my opinion.

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Aside from the connection to the original story, I'm still not really sure why I like it so much.   I think wings just seem to suit Lisa for some reason...   Lisa
True Smile they make her look so special.

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I prefered to think she is not angel, but... more a bird, I think. As a metaphore, you know...
I was chatting to another fan of Lisa once, and he said that Lisa reminds him of a sparrow sometimes. Smile A little bird that's full of energy and enthusiasm, and is never down. I personally don't choose between the "angel Lisa" and "bird Lisa". Both things make sense... angels are a symbol of kindness and care, and that can be applied to Lisa. Birds are a symbol of creativity and freedom - and that can be applied to Lisa too!

P.S. I will update my site someday, I promise (again) Smile
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2007, 19:10 »

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I personally don't choose between the "angel Lisa" and "bird Lisa". Both things make sense... angels are a symbol of kindness and care, and that can be applied to Lisa. Birds are a symbol of creativity and freedom - and that can be applied to Lisa too!
Yes, and thinking about it, this probably is the reason that the wings concept works so well for me.
On a bizarre but slightly related note, this link was posted on the GFC a couple of days ago...  Eek
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2007, 19:15 »

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That's really... creepy, almost... but interesting in a bizarre way Eek Hm, if a gene mutation like that could happen to a cat, what stops it from happening to Lisa? Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2007, 19:22 »

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Whoa... an interesting link indeed!
But it's kinda hard to believe in. That woman claims that the cat was normal up to the certain moment, then for some reason these "extra limbs" appeared... this is hardly possible. I can believe in such mutation, but in this case it would be noticeable from the cat's very birth, and the owner would notice it once she stroked her pet the first time Smile To say it simply, any gene mutation affects an organism only during the first weeks after the conception, and cannot affect an already grown body.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2007, 19:42 »

Yes, I'm pretty sceptical about the genetic mutation theory.   Graham posted this Wikipedia link which I found interesting.   It gives some logical explainations.  Smile   
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2007, 19:58 »

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Heh, a big article without a single photo Wink this also means something.
I've skimmed through it, and found only one mention of the real mutation (i.e. changes in the skeleton structure) - the Chinese case, the one we were discussing above. No other cases like that are known, so it seems to be either a fraud or a joke.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2007, 20:25 »

All kinds of phenomena are reported from around the globe daily... who knows if it's real or fake, most of the time people admit to fraud but sometimes they don't, and sometimes we never know for sure. It's like crop circles, you get to make the call.
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2007, 15:52 »

Going back to original topic... here's the very first appearance of winged Lisa in the show. Smile
Was re-watching the episode yesterday, decided to make a screenshot:

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2007, 18:37 »

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Hm? Which episode was this from? Eek
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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2007, 18:45 »

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Second season, Treehouse of Horror I (7F04), the last story, called "The Raven".
I'm still surprized how well the poem was translated here - though I suspect they just used the existing translation. Smile
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2007, 22:29 »

"Quoth the Raven on my chamber door"
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2007, 13:24 »

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Don't forget Homer shaking under the tree after Lisa finishing reading it Smile

Anyway, I've found some sort of an "official" translation of Edgar Poe's "The Raven". It sounds very close to the one in the episode, so yeah, seems that the translators have used it, just changed a little Wink
Here's another screenshot related to the topic, try to guess which episode it's from.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2007, 13:34 »

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Simpsons Christmas Stories, one of my favourite Smile
She's so touching, when she tells Homer not to strangle Bart (and he is with the halo Tongue )
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2007, 11:20 »

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Don't want this nice topic to be forgotten, even if the subject is uncommon Smile
But before posting some more thoughts about the whole winged Lisa subject, I want to ask you: imagine yourself meeting a winged person in the real life. No matter - a kid or an adult. What your first reaction would be? And second? I must admit that such thing would probably scare me a lot - after I made sure the wings aren't fake, of course. But I'd try to become that person's friend and to know as much as possible about his/her life.
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2007, 13:47 »

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First reaction would be definitely tactless curiosity Big Grin Realising, that it isn't a fake and asking permission to examine them - touch feathers and muscles, watch the flight, if that winged person can fly and then investigating, how that person got that wings and is it possible to grow them too Tongue I doubt I can be a friend of such a unique person, because, I suppose unordinary people bored to death of tactless curiosity and I just won't be able to control it, I think Smile
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2007, 21:31 »

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If I would meet a person with a wings of course I would be amazed Big Grin and not so much how she|he have grow up them, but how he even still can freely going on the ground without any harm for his cardiovascular system, that wings must use too much blood what human heart can't provide. Secondly I think I'll try to ask him|her something not so obvious like "Is it natural?? O_O" but original, maybe a joking. As brakusaetsya said that person must be bored with peoples attention, and maybe has not angelic character at all because of that. It is very possible Smile
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2007, 01:45 »

Hmm... I'd definatly be spooked upon first sight. There are certain things you have in your head that tell you whats real and what isnt. Once you see something that 'isnt real', then what other things arnt real? I think it would mess with my head.  Gigi
Guess it depends on the winged persons current emotions. Might be shy, in which case I wouldnt ask to examine them. After all, they're still human beings with feelings and emotions, and dont want to be treated like an alien. Maybe just crack a stupid joke, and talk about junk. Like brakusaetsya and Yggdrasill said, too much curiosity doesnt go down well.

Certainly like to find out how they managed to aquire wings though... Just imagine how many new skateboard tricks you could be able to learn!  Eek
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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2007, 05:52 »

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Interesting question you pose here. Smile

I would certainly be put out, as most people would be... but I definitely would not scream and run, or treat the person like some kind of animal. I think all of us here have enough feelings to be able to get to know the person for who they are, not what they are, and give them some comfort depending on their situation.
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2007, 12:25 »

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I think all of us here have enough feelings to be able to get to know the person for who they are, not what they are, and give them some comfort depending on their situation.
Yes, of course, unique people deserve not worse treatment, than usual. But when you don't know person well it'll be hard to stay calm and try to learn about his/her character before you find out all about these unusual limbs. If some of friends or relatives get wings, then, of course, it will not spoil relations when learning about wings. But when you see winged stranger... Maybe he/she will say "leave me alone" when you just coming up and will not trust you, if you say that interested not only in physical differences... Who knows, who knows...
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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2007, 15:54 »

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That's true, this winged person may take the defensive "I'm a freak, just leave me alone" standpoint. And obviously they'd know why you're trying to be their friend. Oh well, as you said, who knows, who knows...
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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2007, 22:35 »

Quite simply, if i happened to meet such a prodigy, i'd think i died and gone to heaven. Smile Seriously.
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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2007, 22:38 »

I'd ask them if they'd like to fix my TV aerial...
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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2007, 02:13 »

I'd ask them if they'd like to fix my TV aerial...

 Gigi Couldnt think of a better reason to befriend a winged person! Tongue
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2007, 19:50 »

Hm... interesting points here... although sad...

I realize that such excessive attention would probably only make things worse, and scare that person away. But if I had the chance, I'd explain him/her, that not just simple curiosity drives me, but that I adore the whole winged subject, and that to look like an angel isn't anything wrong or bad for me, but something beautiful instead... I don't know. You think there is no chance to become such person's friend?

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That could work... *notes down*
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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2007, 21:31 »

Something not Simpsonic at all - but it caught my attention, so I decided to make a short AVI and to share.
It's a fragment from one old cartoon (I'm sure we all know it Smile). Although it's a comedy in the first place, the sequence looked strangely deep and believable... I couldn't stop myself from imagining Lisa on Tom's place. Enjoy Smile

www.simps.net.ru/video/tomfly.avi (2.7 Mb)

P.S. I'm not sure the audio will work... I failed to recompress it from the original DVD-audio format. Embarrassed
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« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2007, 02:42 »

Result!

Tom And Jerry are awsome Big Grin Wonderful clip Serge, thanks for sharing that Smile

And yes, reminds me of some sort of Lisa school project Wink
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