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Question: Unban dantheman40k?
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« on: May 19, 2007, 08:16 »

...since me and Marco have banned Dan aka dantheman40k.
I wonder is it worth unbanning him back or not.
Pros: he was creating nice topics, and sometimes he was sane enough to deal with. The forum also looked more active to me these days, though it can be a coincidence.
Cons: he easily gets "mad" and makes mess in the topics by posting senseless arguments. Sad

I believe this is the case we'd better listen to the voice of the community before committing any actions. So... I ask you to vote. It's not necessary to explain your opinion (especially considering it can be a harsh thing to read), but if you want something to say, feel free to.
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2007, 08:21 »

I'm going to vote no to this, and I'll explain why. If we unban him, he won't have learned anything, nobody does on the internet, especially someone such as he. He'll come back and keep trolling. I'm not opposed to him opening discussions where different viewpoints are present; only to his abilities to turn a calm debate into a name calling session. He doesn't have respect for his fellow forum members' opinions, he only accepts his own, and ridicules those who don't see eye to eye with him.

My analogy for this is that if you've buried a corpse, don't dig it up a week later; it will only smell worse.

Also: He has violated forum rules on more than one occasion, and each time, was given a chance to change his ways. And he did not. Mercy is nice, but it can only go so far before the axe of the law must come down.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2007, 11:42 »

I say, yeah. Unban him if you must.

Can always ban him again. Doesnt mean any serious extra effort.
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2007, 12:53 »

Can always ban him again.
Agreed.
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2007, 14:02 »

Obviously, I'm not in the position to decide about the forum members here, but speaking as a moderator in other forums, my policy has always been to warn people if the broke the rules, and if repeated warnings didn't help, they were banned forever. Short-time bans are good for situations where a debate went hot, and somebody needs a short time to cool off. A few days will usually do the trick. If you think that the issue was worth a longer ban, but not forever, maybe a month or two are appropriate, but a week is most likely not enough to change anything.

Regarding the activity of the forum, I don't think that a ban (or unban) are responsible for the changes. There might have been more discussion before, but what's that discussion worth if it was only about controversial stuff, and not productive in the end? And even without that particular discussion, I think there were quite a few very interesting postings, and even if I tend to lurk a lot (too much) these days, I always enjoyed them.
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2007, 14:18 »

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But what if, say, Dan will come back and will behave better, participating in the discussions and making new ones? Not if I really believed in that, but that's possible, and that would be nice. And if he will continue trolling instead, we'll just ban him again, for longer period this time (say, for month or two as you suggested). Smile I don't want to bring up "hot" or "flamey" discussions, but I don't want a complete silence either. Besides, he's still a fan of Lisa, I don't think he will find a better forum for expressing his thoughts.

even if I tend to lurk a lot (too much) these days, I always enjoyed them.
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2007, 17:08 »

I wouldn't bother, he's an obvious troll.
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2007, 17:54 »

Well it seems like the wind is blowing in the way of "Yes, unban him". I guess I agree with Casper in the fact that we can always unban him again, and Serge has a point in the fact that he could bring up more discussions. If we unban him, then I won't fight it tooth and nail, but I will say that I myself don't believe he can be redeemed. The fact that he's been banned will only aggravate him, not make him more willing to participate in the community. But I could be wrong, so if the admins really want to let him back in, I'll support them.
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2007, 19:08 »

I Think it might be best to simply give his current ban a bit more time. Though he does make up some very interesting topics,(Even though I dont usually engage in many of them if at all due to my mindset during my online time) he does have a tendency towards flying off the handle for no reason at all and outright bashing on members at a moments notice (or lack thereof). It is a bother to me when I see him jump right out and ask questions about people that have no relevance (I.E. "Do you hate the Simpsons?" The question he posed to me when I opened my new thread about my story.)

Though it did not bother me that he asked that, he asks similar things and says inappropriate things about the other members in various and has a bad tendency towards swearing a lot and making this forum seem trashy. In conclusion, I thing his present ban should be extended a bit, then lets see how he does.
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2007, 03:51 »

I've got a conflict on this. I remember when I was first at a forum. I was rude, obnoxious, and complaining. I was banned twice when I was starting. After that, I knew I should try my hardest in the future to be a better member. Unless I'm still rude, obnoxious, and compaining, I'd say that I matured well. I'm still wondering if Dan could do this, but on the other hand, he's been around for a MUCH longer time, and just keeps getting banned. I think I should vote no.
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2007, 14:02 »

After all the agro he's caused on the likes of NHC and CFTH, I dont think he's gonna change his attitude. Ban him, and leave him banned forever I say.
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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2007, 21:25 »

I really am sorry for interfering. I don't know the person you're discussing, and I'm not going to vote. I just want to say that this discussion really freaks me out.
How humiliating can it be, to be discussed in public in such a way and not to have a right for a single word to defend yourself? If I were banned and if the matter of my unbanning were discussed like this, I'd write an E-mail to admin asking to end this, and I'd swear never to visit the forum again.
I suggest discussing this matter with the violator himself, lest the whole stuff starts to resemble those ol' Soviet 'comrade courts'.
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« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2007, 21:47 »

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I think Serge's main intent is to get the opinion of the public. Unfortunately, though, this is a bit embarassing for dan. I'm not sure that he really cares, though, with all the material that he's posted, any public attention, even negative, is "good" for him.
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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2007, 22:20 »

And to be fair, I don't think it's anything he hasn't already heard and had a chance to respond to before he got banned.
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2007, 02:27 »

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It has nothing to do with those "courts", it's not an act where the outcome is planned beforehand! I just want to know people's honest opinion about my idea, that's all. Discussing that only with Marco (i.e. between admins) would be the easiest way, but we'd probably make a wrong decision, discussing that with the others, but in private place sounds even more disgusting to me - I don't want to separate this forum's members into the "dedicated" ones and not. Just to forget about Dan and simply leave things as they are? Isn't this even worse than a try to solve the problem? Yes, this topic might sound unpleasant to Dan (and I'm sorry about that, it was my step), but I don't know a better way to resolve such situations. If you know, share it with us.
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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2007, 08:26 »

I won't get into this too much, let's see what the board has to say.
Yes, this is a weird topic but imho it's a thing that had to be at least tried out. It's not a thread for mocking Dan, it's  just to understand a bit better the implications of a ban.

Anyway, one thing on the subject: I don't think actually Dan *wants* to be back: In fact i didn't receive anything from him yet (and my email is up there for everyone to see), and i doubt Serge did too. If i was banned and wanted to be readmitted on a board, the first thing i'd do is sending a message or mail to the admins. Dan did not do this, and his is a permanent ban.

Said this, for now the board will have a decision. I won't cast a vote Smile
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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2007, 08:42 »

The Cheshire Cat from American McGee's Alice had a nice saying: "There's a terrible word that's used to call those who don't look for an easier way";-) Just kidding:-)

And yes, I know a better way - to discuss this with Dan himself. If he wants to come back, I'm sure you'll find a way to consensus. If not (which is more likely, as SimpReal says) - well, there's nothing to discuss, then. Either way, I believe forum members respect you guys enough to agree with whatever descision you make. And you can always ban him again, too:-)
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2007, 09:04 »

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If I just talked to Dan, I'd only have his opinion - a rather biased one - and I need more.
If a single opinion was enough for me in such cases, I'd just use mine...

No, I don't regret I've created this topic. People have the right to voice their opinions - even you did it for Dan, and that's good! IMHO, the worst thing is when someone starts making decisions without listening to the others first. Remember our history and how people lived then, having only one right - to agree with the government's decisions Wink
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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2007, 09:32 »

Oh my... 0.o
Alright, I give up. I guess you're right and everyone's concerned, and such discussion is necessary. There's only one thing I'd really like to ask. If something terrible happens and you have to ban me, please spare me the humiliation of public discussing my behaviour. I'd rather stay away from the forum voluntary not to bother you guys any more:-)
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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2007, 09:41 »

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I really doubt you will ever behave the same way Dan did. Smile
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2007, 10:28 »

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Not on this forum, I won't:-)
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