The last few seasons Lisa's character has been hollowed out into being a generic !LiberalActivist! role. She has also had episodes where Lisa's character is altered for the sake of the plot, On a Clear Day,  See Homer Run. I mean, Lisa cant think of three things Bart has done for her, forcing him to live like a savage. Lisa was a bitch in Clear Day no question. In See Homer Run, she is far too clingly and child-like. And the 'Daddy and Me' Unicorn book thingy was a cynical attempt at pathos that didnt work. And then of course there was the discusting cake scene that was horrible to watch in Sleeping With The Enemy. I dont understand how anyone who claimes to be a Simpsons fan can find that scene funny in the least.

Uh...didn't we already do all of this? 
http://www.lisa-simpson.net/topic/83.0

You'd almost start thinking that, because this is the second time he mentions the cake scene.

I don't mind the cake scene, actually. And I haven't seen an episode where one of the characters went so out of character that it was very disturbing. Yes, there has been a decline in the series which started around the 9th season (also known as the Mike Scully era), but it doesn't ruin the series for me.

Anyway, this topic needs more Lisaflavored cake!

Click for cake screenie

brakusaetsya
I know, sometimes it's very painful and difficult for me to watch Lisa in such horrid situations.

dantheman40k
Please, shut up. Sometimes I can't stand your antics, but then, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Although it is my opinion that you have something against Lisa, or what she stands for, judging from your words. Please do not call her a "bitch" either. You know how I feel about this matter; and at this time there is already a "Lisa's Flaws" thread open. No need to start another one.

Suusje
Aww! Thanks for posting that, I've never seen this moment in a high resolution

dantheman40k
Well, that's your own fault in the first place, isn't it? If more than one person doesn't understand you or cannot take your point, this means that you cannot properly explain or reason it in the first place.

P.S. Merged three your posts into one and removed quotes. No need to create mess.

I came to this board to discuss Lisa's character with like minded people not to talk about what it would be like to marry her or whatever. I relate to Lisa, and I like Lisa episodes but people here seem to be obsessed with her. Now, I wouldnt mind this, but all people talk about is how great she is and very little discussion on some of here more negative traits, like her arrogance and mean spiritedness, and if I dare bring it up, people insinuate that I hate her. You guys elevate her to the point where she is the greatist human being since Mother Tereasa.

Bottom line here is: get a grip, Lisa isnt an angel (and I personally think that Lisa would be rather offended by all these drawings of her as an angel, given her strong skeptisisim of the paranormal.) Lisa isnt perfec, Lisa can be badly written. I like Lisa but I dont fantasize about marring her.

dantheman40k

I'm sure every member here, even the most obsessed, understand that she has a lot of flaws. And we have 2 threads to discuss it. Calling her or her adorers like you did is very unpolite.

Well, about first message: in On a Clear Day Bart deserved it all. And Lisa was acting like this in earlier episodes, too, maybe not so hard, but always only if Bart was doing something really bad to her.

About unicorn book... What else she might give him? It's absolutely normal for 8-year old to give a handmade present. Of course, she knows, that Homer is too materialistic... But she couldn't find a proper present, so it was only possible way to get her own present. Maybe she could act more calm, when Homer wasn't happy with her present, but she is a little girl and I think Homer could be more polite that time... And remember what he gives to family members for birthdays or to Marge on Mothers day or wedding anniversary. Eww...

I was completely dissapointed with activistic moments, as I already said and Lisa-Ralph moments in last seasons: when she was Jake Boyman she fought with him, and in Jaws Wired Shut she teased him. They make Ralph's character much more badly written and Lisa more cruel. But for me Lisa's image made from all seasons' pieces, so even though writers made her more childish, sometimes I feel sorry for Lisa, but still like her. And even more: if Lisa would be perfect, it'll be too boring and sad.  

So, you partially right, but of course you should be more friendly to other members.

dantheman40k
You just don't get it, do you?

We'll respect your opinions if you respect ours. All you seem to be doing here is telling us we're wrong and you're right. I don't think that's the way you want to be doing things when you're trying to convince someone of your opinion, or at least giving them that. And I don't think she's an angel, she's a normal human like the rest of us. But I love her, so obviously I am going to say good things about her and not focus on only the bad. Which, I must say, is why people think that you "hate" her. Because all your posts seem to focus on the negatives of Lisa - never the positives.

Lisa has her problems and moments where she is wrong; and I do not have a problem with her character as of late, of course I haven't watched every recent episode. But in the ones I have seen, she didn't strike me as a complete !LiberalActivist!.

Edit: My bad, I didn't see Marco's "I ask no further discussion to be done on the particular Dan VS LTS argument, please." So from now on please keep the thread closed to this unhealthy discussion.

What I find highly amusing, is that in the space of this one thread ol' Danny boy rants against people for not recognising Lisa's flaws, while at the same time cursing the "infamous" cake scene and Clear Day, which at least made an attempt to show flaws in Lisa's character! 
Surely the cake scene is only "degrading to Lisa's character" if you are assuming she is completely infallible with total self-control - i.e. the "idealised" view of Lisa that Danno is simultaneously railing against.   After all, what does it represent?   A momentary loss of self-control (albeit fairly comprehensive... ) and that happens to everyone - it is a very human thing.   Let's face it, who hasn't lost control and ended up stuffing themselves full at some point in their life?   If you are dealing with a realistic characterisation of Lisa, with the frailties and faults that make us human, then the scene isn't degrading at all.   If Homer had done it, no-one would have minded at all!
Come on Dan, you'll have to do better than that.