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« on: April 22, 2007, 09:48 »

I'm planning a fan fic, starring The Simpsons, The Gambler and some monsters from 1993 smash hit game, Doom (Since i was thinking a parody of Doom games) and lots of cameos.

So i need some help to planning to plot in this fan fic.
I need a title art, some ideas from other members and if there's a time, some crossover battles.

The Theme: Larsec featuring Elsa Persson - Darkness Dawning
from Doom's remix album: "The Dark Side of Phobos" Big Grin

Ending Theme: Nightwish - Wish I Had An Angel
Nightwish rules!!!

Info about this album, go to this website: http://doom.ocremix.org/

For those, who dosen't saw Doom in their lives, here's 3 sites:

http://www.doomworld.com/ - Doomworld
http://www.newdoom.com/ - NewDoom
http://planetdoom.gamespy.com/ - Planet Doom

I think a parody of Doom. Big Grin

This story also show more details about the relationship of Lisa and Jere "The Gambler" Peltonen. Tongue

Here's to the artist, who can draw this title pic of this fan fic:
Title art: Jere & The Simpsons standing on a grassy field (Maggie now 4 years old, Lisa 11 and Bart 13), The Cyberdemon is behind of them and the sky is red, clouds are black.

Summary: After 3 years of ambience, Jere Peltonen returns to Springfield and try have a peaceful life with The Simpsons. Until UAC had build a teleport lab under the city of Springfield. An error occures and something very evil has come form the other dimension.
These creatures has reached the surface and the situation appears to be critical! A emergency message has sent foward: THE DEMONS....THEY'VE COME TROUGH THE PORTAL AND KILLED EVERYBODY IN THE LAB!! WE NEED REINFORCEMENTS QUICK!!!!

It's finally happen. Jere, Homer, Bart, Lisa, Marge, Maggie and other survivors has entered to the world, that has been freaked out all time.
THE WORLD OF DOOM!!!!

It's Hell on Earth and Jere and his friends are fighting for their souls against the demons from the depths of hell.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2007, 14:36 »

Frankly speaking, i don't see how well Doom can mic up with the Simpsons  Unsure I have no idea on how it could be done at all... Big Grin

I'm sure you have a fervid imagination and you can come up with something, but stilll... it's a hard connubium. Wink Good luck!
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2007, 17:22 »

Frankly speaking, i don't see how well Doom can mic up with the Simpsons  Unsure I have no idea on how it could be done at all... Big Grin

I'm sure you have a fervid imagination and you can come up with something, but stilll... it's a hard connubium. Wink Good luck!
Some hellish theme in Springfield. And of course the demons running around the city.
You will find out, when i start writing the story. Big Grin
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2007, 20:26 »

I see! Well, anyway, i forgot to thank you for this link here:

Info about this album, go to this website: http://doom.ocremix.org/

this site was awesome! I've downloaded all the songs, thank you. They rule Smile
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Do you think he hears us cry?
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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2007, 22:16 »

And here's the pic of the villian of this story.

He's called as Jack Marsh, The Lord of the Demons.

I did this with Paint, but i really suck in drawing, i tell ya!

If someone will draw his/her own version of Jack, please send me a message.

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2007, 13:31 »

I had 2 hours to kill so thought I'd skim read through it, so if this review isnt as you anticipated, blame me. Plus I havent done many story reviews so...
I'll try to stay within the confines of an honest opinion, and a well balanced review. Erm... wish me luck.

The Story + Characters:
The begining is very sudden. Jeremy's character ('The Gambler') is a little steriotypical too if I might say, which isnt bad in a comedy but, to be honest none of the material really had me gagging. I think if he had a little more empathetic personality (which is probably the sort of guy Lisa would become partners, too), would have been a bit more believable. Appart from Hell and that, obviously. Tongue Also, I dont understand why he was called the Gambler... didnt seem to take any risks or gamble...

The second chapter was a little odd. Jeremy left the family for 3 years, due to family problems, which was left unexplained in the previous chapter. He comes back to Springfeild, and his first reaction is to buy a Playstation magazine, other than see his girlfriend. I think if he had to buy something essensial, would make it more believeable again (For example, a punchure repair kit for his bike). I like Maggies reaction to Jere's re-appearence though, very enthusiatic to see an old friend.
"Ay Caramba!" is actualy "Ay Carumba!", but nothing serious.
Jeremy suprising Lisa is okay, quite nice but the formatting doesnt do justice to its emotional value. But more on that later.

Another part that is quite odd really is, Jere is obviously startled by the mentioning of the UAC, but after he says "What? Nothing, I'm fine.", it cuts to the next scene. This whole chapter has been strictly to a point, so that the reader knows the exact story, nothing more nothing less. Really you need over lapping. For example, have Jere change the subject while at the diner table, so they dont talk about UAC. Little things like that are elements to a writen good story.
There are a lot of mentioning of Finland, but no deep conversation. You could imensly expand on this, have Jere talk about the cultures of Finland with Homer, talk about the weather, the language, hell talk about how busy Sunday afternoon traffic. You come from Finland, all you need to know is how different it is from Springfield Wink Just little additions would give Jere more flavour and depth.

Another point, make subtle details to indicate what time it is, I.E. The sun setting.
I'm not to sure Lisa calls Jere to bed in a way I'd expect her too. Put forthrightly, seems like she wants a little more than sleep.

The reader doesnt know any of the characters ages in any part of the story. When I read the line,
 "Lisa: Next week, I going to field trip with Bart's class to UAC Teleport lab.",
I was unsure whether Bart was still in school. Which makes me think how old is Jere? He must be at least 18 to leave Finland without parents permission, and Bart must be under 16 to still be at school. Which means Lisa would be 14/15, going out with an 18 year old..?
However, this is a very unfair point. I'm probably being too strict.

Lisa nods off very quickly too, like she wasnt really listening to Jere. Lisa is a curious person, she would hack away at the walls of a riddle to find an answer.

Having the characters fall asleep is a good way to end a chapter by the way. Rather than half way through the day or what not.

Chapter three, is a bit like chapter two. One second they are in the house, where Homer wakes Lisa and Jeremy up. Then nothing happens until later that day, Homer goes to Moes Tavern.

It is also very sudden that Jeremy is this celebrity figure. He seemed like a normal-ish chap at first, now he's a full blown famous guy with the mayors undivided attention, in which he'll have a special day awarded to him.

You've time stamped it a little better here, saying "Later that night..." and mentioning the stars are out. But you have to give reference to what happened in the day. Maybe they went to the movies, or skated at an ice ring, or played his favuarte playstation game...

Lisa is out of character again, choosing him as a boyfriend for the sole reason that he beat up his older brother. *urgh!*

I am a little bias here, because I hate characters who have these powers or, as defined here, 'killing move's (which didnt kill him?). But I think his speach was a bit, pointless. He say's one line than asks for questions.



(Quick Conclusion)
The audience for this type of story would be a young one, much younger than the audience of The Simpsons TV show, which is probably why I'm not as moved by its potential.

(I'll have to review the rest later, run out of time!)
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2007, 14:01 »

Of course it's not gagging, It's a Sci-Fi\Horror story. Big Grin

I do don't have time to fix it because my sister comes to computer and my brother sits at the other one. Big Grin

I was thinked as well this is an odd story. I was confused. Big Grin

He always put his ass on the line, Casper. Big Grin That's why he's called "The Gambler". About that, when he had a flashback, Original Doom's story comes alive. But he won't tell the family that thing. He told to Lisa the truth of UAC. By the way, My brother called me as The Gambler, because i play too much video games. Big Grin

Jere's motorcycle will not be damaged. Have you seen the movie Ghost Rider? from this point, he didn't have a bike. Big Grin

Jere is like Noob Saibot in Mortal Kombat games: He's a mysterious person.

Lisa's and Jere's Relationship is a very intresting part of the story. Lisa had feelings on Jere, because Jere had a bad life in back of time, when he worked for Mitch's tyranny.

When he returned, He really wants to be hidden in public, but Marge and Maggie blows out his disguise.

Lisa's and Jere's date has a point there. You see, my half brother died two years ago due of cancer. I didn't go to his funeral. That's why Jere's looking into sky and thinks of him. R.I.P. to his soul.  Sad

Nobody dosen't know Jere's real age. His age is still unknown. (He looks younger.)

But I don't know, what happened to Sideshow Bob and Shao Kahn. I think they ran off. Big Grin

About Bart's school, He had problems again and he was still in the same class.

About the killing move system, it might been in Jere's mind.
Jere successfully pulled off the Raging Demon on Mitch, but he spared him. Mitch appeared at front of Jere and the Simpsons, when they went to Hell. 

In Finland, there's lots of fighting and drinking just like in Ireland. Lisa might been intrested about the finnish culture, it's nature and it's history. Also she wants to know Jere's family as well (exepct Mitch).

And by the way, I can't see in dark, when i wrote this fic. Big Grin

I really need some help in fan fics or arts. I didn't have ideas in my head. Smile

I will wrote the prequel story before this hell invasion, The time with Mitch had ruled Springfield with an iron fist, when Jere met Lisa and fall in love and of course, the terrifying battle between the Peltonen brothers.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2007, 18:16 »

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By the way, My brother called me as The Gambler, because i play too much video games. Big Grin

Oh, well that explains everything.

There is a term in fanfiction, in which people are called 'Mary Sue'. This implies that the author of the story is actualy replicated as the protagonist in the story. This protagonist would be the hero, celebrity, and all around good guy, while woo-ing the hansome female, more often than not, the authors favurate character.
Wikipedia long-winded explination.

To the point, they're not really looked upon as being popular. But its still practice. Dont give up.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2007, 00:07 »

All right, I just finished reading it, and I'll try to give you my honest opinion.

The beginning was a bit rushed, and unexplained. I don't know how Lisa has fallen for this Jere character, but I won't push it. After a short beginning, we have here Jere's return, which was a nice scene, and their return to the Simpson household, also nice (specifically character's reactions).

Their trip to the UAC lab was done much too quickly. It seemed like everything happened in the course of a few minutes, the way you put it. The demons had time to escape from the portal and destroy the whole of Springfield in this few minutes...? Confused

As a whole, this story could have been much better if you had written it in novel form, rather than as if it were a screenplay. That way, you could supply details and thoughts without having to have characters make comments that ordinarily they wouldn't. I think the characterization in a few scenes was off as well, specifically Lisa's attitude toward Jere... she seems to have this... well... unbridled lust for him Eek As Casper mentioned, when she asks him to bed, it seems like she wants something out of him... Under normal circumstances, I can't see Lisa acting like this Confused

The ending was horribly rushed as well, the encounter with the Cyberdemon, the trek through Hell, and confronting Jack. All these were great ideas that could have been wonderfully expanded on if you had maybe used novel format instead of screenplay format. It would have been a longer read then, true, and would have required more work, but it would have been even more enjoyable.

Also... as Casper said, it seems like you've put yourself in the story, as the character of Jere, who seems like someone that everyone honours as a celebrity. Also, he has this mysterious way of making Lisa desire him? Confused Personally, I don't like stories that do this, it seems like too much of a fantasy on the author's part. "Wouldn't it be great to be a widely respected hero who kicked ass with guns and swords and what not, and had a great girl?" Confused

Anyway, I'm not very good with reviews, but this is just what I thought when I read it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2007, 05:57 »

Thanks for the review, George. Big Grin

This is the my first time, when i wrote something. Smile

Yeah, i know. The Demons spawns like rats. They are quick and some are silent.

It's was really hard to write in the dark and there's lots of ideas in my mind.

It was actually 4-7 hours, when they where searched the entire base and find clues.

But I might be writing a prequel story for this one, before Jere became famous. Big Grin

First I will expand the Cyberdemon battle, Trek in Hell and the Jack confrontation.

Might be a good idea, George. I need someone to write the novel version of this fan fic.

Lisa and Jere are like two lost souls wandering around. She has feeling on him, because Jere had a bad life before he met her. This is indeed a reference to my sister and her boyfriend. Smile
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2007, 15:52 »

Another Updated version!!!

Enjoy or be doomed!!!

Big Grin Big Grin

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2007, 18:20 »

Errr.... usually when i read a fic once i don't read it again just for some changes.

Shin, this is not the way you shouldwrite a fanfiction Wink Please just post one final version you're happy with and make it final.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2007, 18:58 »

Errr.... usually when i read a fic once i don't read it again just for some changes.

Shin, this is not the way you shouldwrite a fanfiction Wink Please just post one final version you're happy with and make it final.
This IS the final version. Big Grin
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2007, 14:27 »

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Downloaded and tried my best to read your story, but I must admit I understood almost nothing... all I've got is that there is no sense in your story, and I shouldn't search for any. Big Grin From this point of view, your story is quite readable, as something to distract your mind. But I'll try to look at your story seriously, since this is a serious forum... be careful, my reply will be harsh! I hope you will take it well. After all, it's just an opinion.

SimpReal is right, The Simpsons and Doom don't mix well. I love that game despite it's respectable age (even play sometimes, believe or not), so I know its plot and monsters very well, but I'd never decide to write something like that Smile or, in other words, you should be a really good writer to create a decent crossover based or such different canons. In your case, I didn't even catch any general idea which would assemble all events together... the fact that your hero saved the world and the Simpsons family only helped, also didn't convince me much Wink come on, your readers won't care much about your hero, realize that. If OFF had more intense role in the story, it would be accepted better, at least by me.

Several more nitpicks that made me scratch my head:
- Language. Where should be no "f" words in stories like that, come on Sad
- Excessive use of exclamations;
- Comic Sans MS;
- Cut corners in some places (when someone says "I don't know", that usually means "the writer doesn't know");
- Sideshow Bob and Shao Kahn as antiheroes? o_O
- Script format, but that's very personal.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2007, 14:39 »

Look, bud. I have played Doom for 10 years now!! Give some respect!! Wink

It was really hard to write. Big Grin

and this was the first time, when I wrote something. Smile

Bob and Kahn where Jack's allies, but they ran off. Big Grin Big Grin
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2007, 18:09 »

*As William Shattner* "KAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"  Tongue Sorry I had to
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2007, 18:25 »

*As William Shattner* "KAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"  Tongue Sorry I had to
HAHAHHAHAHHAHHA!!! Now that's funny! I checked a show called Robot Chicken and there's a parody called "Two Kirks, A Kahn and a Pizza Place". Thanks to bring the humor here!! Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2007, 06:32 »

Actually Shattner says that line in ST 3: the wrath of kahn *Oy Gevalt, my nerdness is showin'*
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« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2007, 06:50 »

Actually Shattner says that line in ST 3: the wrath of kahn *Oy Gevalt, my nerdness is showin'*
Hey yeah! That third Star Trek movie. Yeah I saw that scene, when Kirk says: KAAAAAHHHHNNNN!! That's cool! Big Grin
Actually, Serge and I talked about Shao Kahn, the Emperor of Outworld. You sure know him from Mortal Kombat. Smile
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2007, 15:35 »

I forgot something. My two characters deserves some themes.
Jack Marsh: "Evil Incarnate" by Bobby Prince. (Made music for Doom and Wolfenstein games)
The Gambler: "Would you love a Monsterman?" by Lordi.
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