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« on: April 20, 2007, 14:49 » |
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Greetings fellow LTS members. Lately I've noticed our forum has come to a dreadful halt in activity  Maybe this is just a particularly dry spell, but it's becoming worrysome. A lot of people have been visiting, but not posting. I'd just like to remind everyone that we all need to do our part to keep this community going  I can't imagine what would happen if our posting kept getting smaller and smaller  We could very well end up with a dead forum on our hands. So let's not let that happen. Please, if you have thoughts or opinions on the matter, post them here. I'm eager to here what others have to say.
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2007, 15:00 » |
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I read a lot, but most of the time my opinion is already covered. I dont really want to repeat people or post one line comments like "I totaly agree!".
Nobody should feel urged to post in threads, in the same way nobody should treat posting in a thread as a right. Theres a time and place when somebody has an opinion and feels it must be shown, keeping within rules and regulations.
Although I do wish to post comments to all of the art posted, I dont feel I should right now. My new term in collage has started, and hasnt been the best of weeks back. I want to comment every picture with a neutral state of mind, to make an average opinionated comment. I'm sure, some other people have had school, collage or a university to attend to this week, which maybe a reason why.
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2007, 16:47 » |
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I admit, I have been very quite recently and I apologies once again for lack of forum commitment. The problem is that for the whole of the Easter holiday and this first week back to school, it's been very busy and hectic for me , a lot has happened. However I plan on posting more art up soon, and hopefully will be able to take part in more discussions when I've got some of my work out of the way with 
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2007, 17:06 » |
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The same goes for me. In and amongst all of my work at the restaurant, I am also dealing with the fact that my motorcycle was stolen, my truck needs fixing, I have had to drop all of my classes and I have been just plain lazy after a 12 hour day at work, but I will try to post a bit more.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2007, 19:19 » |
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I'm busy moving into my new apartment and that eats up a lot of time. But once that's all done, I'll post more here 
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2007, 19:22 » |
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*bows* I'm sorry, too.  I've had three exams to take in the past week and I've been studying and working on some missing works for english and related stuff.  I also am working with a friend of mine on costumes for an anime con coming here in September. ^^  We're getting started tomorrow. We're both going as members of the Akatsuki. I'll be Deidara, and my friend Itachi.  Plus, I've been getting sick alot lately and I don't know why. Plus I've been on Otaku. ^^; But I have been logging on and off quickly to check posts and any messages I may have... just not really posting. But I do have some new art to upload.  I know some of you are fed up with my tardiness and dissapearance... especially since we still have the con to finish, but I truely am sorry.
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2007, 19:42 » |
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LTS will never close down, so even if the activity will be one post per week, that post will be valued and trsaured for all its worth  I also prefer to see an active forum but i am well aware of the fact that we are all busy people and as interesting is the character Lisa simpson, there are not endless things to say about her. I am sure that even if people do not post, they still like this place very much. Every effort in keeping the community will be surely appreciated, but remember that this should not be a pressure to you all. Posting in here should come natural, like willing to sit down for a nice chat with friends, and the Lisa Bar is always open 
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2007, 21:04 » |
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Heh, I also thought "wow, not a single post on LTS within two days or so", but then, I returned this evening, seeing buzzing activity in several threads.  As I said before, nobody has to apologize for not posting - after all, this is just a hobby, and we do it for fun, not because we're obliged to. Sure, the board might have some dormant periods now and then, but I think it's nothing to be afraid of. The bar is always open indeed. 
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2007, 22:32 » |
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I don't think the situation is as good as Marco and Andreas are trying to tell. I believe in statistics, not emotions... and statistics tells that LTS is experiencing activity troubles for quite a long time, not only past two days. Being blunt, the forum is slowly dying. That's why I quit several days ago - I failed to keep it alive, and seeing it going down was too much for me. Please understand, if we will decide once again that everything is fine and the situation will sort out eventually by itself, we'll have another dead forum very soon. SimpRealA forum that has only one new post per week is already dead to me. Imagine yourself posting a new picture, hoping for replies but seeing nothing! That's pretty cruel, you won't post anything anymore on such a place. The same thing with other sections... if you post your opinion in some topic but everyone else ignores it, you see that nobody cares about your participation or, in other words, nobody cares about the forum at all. AndreasOf course nobody is obliged to post anywhere, but you should realize that if you visit the forum only for reading new posts (which many of us do lately), then one day you'll see no new posts at all. I'm completely with George here. Right now I don't know what to do to help LTS. Honestly, I'm still depressed, because I know today's burst of activity was caused by this topic; some time passes and we'll face the same situation again. The worst thing is that people accept "quiet" periods like something natural, while actually they are the first indicators of pretty dangerous things. 
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2007, 22:57 » |
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That's why I quit several days ago - I failed to keep it alive, and seeing it going down was too much for me. So that is why I got a "page not found" error about two days ago? Please don't do that again.  I know the forum is your "baby", and it's sad to see it slowly "dying", but it certainly doesn't help if you pull the plug... I'm well aware that I'm partially responsible for the situation, since I wasn't that much of an active poster lately, but I don't think that LTS is "doomed". I hope it's not because you don't want to "waste" your money for the webspace or something, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Anyway, others might be not as optimistic as I am, but the forum is far from dead, regardless if this topic is the reason for the current peak of activity or not. I'm still amazed of the discussion topics people think of, and other than the Simpsons itself, who have been discussed for the past 18 years or so, a dedicated forum for Lisa is still something new and exciting. It's just that most people aren't that active to provide new input on a daily base. Some may visit LTS daily, but others maybe only once a week or so, or maybe even once a month. Some might take a break for several months and then come back. Now imagine how sad they would be if they find out that LTS doesn't exist anymore. Posting a reminder now and then is a good idea, and it certainly animates people to think of new topics, like it happened today. And I must say those are very interesting, and I might post something later as well, once I thought about it in detail (I often refrain from posting right away; I guess that's one of my weaknesses). Statistics are good for measuring something, and they give a pretty clear image how popular this place is. But I think LTS is not only about being popular. It's about an idea, and about our feelings towards Lisa - and this is something that can't be measured...
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2007, 23:11 » |
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Andreas No, I never turned this forum off for purpose. I quit it myself - logged out and tried not even to think about it for some time, because the dropping activity started to make me depressed (everyone talking to me via ICQ these days probably have noticed that). I'm not going to "pull the plug" while there are chances to revive the place. But if I see that LTS is dead and nothing helps, I'll close it. Even if Marco will be against. I don't believe in miracles, dead forums are dead forums. I've seen enough of them already, I know that once the community loses interest, they produce only flood and spam. And that's not the fate I want for LTS.
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2007, 23:18 » |
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Andreas No, I never turned this forum off for purpose. Ah, ok, than this was a coincidence. I just wondered if the server didn't work, or if it was something else... But I've seen not a single sign of "spam" or bloated off-topic chatter here, and that's why I like this place so much. I'm also glad that there is no dedicated "off-topic" forum, since this place is what attracts that kind of chatter, ignoring the other places completely after a while. I visit some other forums, but rarely look into the off-topic areas at all, knowing that this is not what I was looking for...
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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2007, 00:55 » |
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Seems like we have a few different sets of opinions here. SimpRealI agree that posting here should come naturally, and that it should be "always open"... but what's the point of keeping the bar open if there are no drinks to sell or people to talk to? DagdamorI agree, posting something and not receiving a response is a bit discouraging. As if you were to say something to someone and they ignored you. And no doubt this recent bout of posting is just because of this "alert" post. It's like trying to keep a tired person awake. You clap your hands in front of their face and they jerk awake, but you find a few seconds later that they're falling asleep again. AndreasYou're right, nobody is obliged to post, it is definitely something we should do because we want to, not because we have to. But there is some level of participation that should come from discussions, and if people aren't posting, that usually means they don't want to.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2007, 17:42 » |
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Come on folks, let's get a bit of perspective here. We've already had a thread like this and what happened? Activity picked up. Now OK it did drop off again but a forum that has only had one post in week is NOT dead, one a month maybe, but to be forecasting doom on the basis of one quiet week seems little over the top. The worst thing is that people accept "quiet" periods like something natural, while actually they are the first indicators of pretty dangerous things. Well I still think this is totally natural, I've seen it happen on other forums that are still very much in existence. There have been comments that this thread has prompted a sudden increase in activity, well maybe....but it's also worth noting that this increase in activity coincides with...yep...the weekend! If people are busy with work/school/uni/plans for world domination during the week then of course they're going to post at the weekend when they've got the time. I really don't think that statistics tell the full story, we could have a high post count of pointless flaming and off-topic chatter (as certain other forums do) but what would be the point? People may post less on here but when they do their posts are usually interesting and well thought out - quality not quantity. I feel that if people feel pressured to post then it wrecks the atmosphere. I think it's good that you care so much about this place Serge, but please don't get depressed if it goes through a quiet patch. Although you have quite rightly allowed a wide range of discussion, this is still quite a specialised forum so it's not going to get the sort of traffic that others do. And please don't close the forum just because the post count isn't up to expectations, there are plenty on here who care about it too.
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2007, 01:17 » |
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You can judge me strong now... but i'll say... Dagdamor, GeorgeHarrison All you say here is nothing but a result of depression. And i really sorry about it. I have a depression last week ago too, it was very hardly (and reading of Jenny's "Lisa Fitzgerald 2005" simply has killed me...) Neverthless, as for me i'm trying to keep my activity as it possible... So, i think the other words would simply superfluous.
And by the way i have a pretty much of experience with talking to the emptyness. And i have already got used to this, now i'm typing new posts and laying out pictures not very much reflecting on positive responses (though it still hurts enough). So i would to speak my attitude to this place is already behind a side of simple hobby, averaged interest. It's a duty for me now. And a very pleasant.
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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2007, 08:14 » |
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YggdrasillI'm not really depressed as much as I am worried. I'm worried that if this low activity continues, or happens often, that eventually the forum will end up dead. And I do consider a forum with one post a week a dead forum  This recent bout of activity is encouraging, but we'll have to wait and see if it was just a quick spark from this topic.
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2007, 10:19 » |
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I'm sure LTS won't die, because of a few days of lower activity. We have plenty of members who want to discuss Lisa, so there will always be new posts and new things to discuss. And to make sure that happens, I'm going to try to post more. 
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2007, 15:11 » |
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The way I see it, this forum isnt a group of idiots. Unfortunatly, good people on the internet are hard to find.
The problem of comparison. Other forums are bursting with activity, some of them are nice places to be but, the busiest are full of people with egotistical opinions, loudly contributing to a dominant member like sheep, or poking fun out of other people who are 'lesser'.
I dont care how quiet the forum ever gets, as long as it never becomes something like the above. I'm proud to be a member here.
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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2007, 20:35 » |
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So, as boring as it is, i guess the truth stands in the middle, as always. I agree with George and Dagdamor when they say that every member should try a bit harder to keep this place alive and interesting when things seem to be slow and stalling. But i don't really share their feelings of impending doom and "forum death" whenever i see that no new posts are made in some time. On the latter case, i really agree with what Casper, Andreas and Janglewolf said: this is a very special community, made of special people. So far i am very proud to be part of it, as i think is everyone of you guys. So, let's try and keep it this way 
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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2007, 01:03 » |
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A few days of increased activity have given me new hope. Lots of new interesting posts and a few interesting new topics. This is good!  Hopefully we can keep it like this, I understand many people are busy, but posting should be something you can relax and do at the end of the day.
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2007, 18:49 » |
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GeorgeHarrisonI'm not really depressed as much as I am worried. I'm worried that if this low activity continues, or happens often, that eventually the forum will end up dead. I've got it. Last time i haven't enough forces to answer all in time. So please don't consider my silence like disrespect or lack of the interest. Simply sometimes i physically was not capable to write the worthy answer. And to write a pair of lines i do not want, especially in threads i really like. 
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2007, 07:35 » |
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Lalala, I won't let the forum die!!! I am new and I like to type and I like Lisa and I like the Simpsons, so it isn't likely that I will shut up for too long!!! 
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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2007, 10:13 » |
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I suppose that you'll all be surprised to learn that the past five months have been the most active in the forums history. With around 1000 posts each month, but that still isnt really enough to have an "active" forum by most peoples standards, myself included. A forum that has only one new post per week is already dead to me. I very much agree to that statement. Hell, I'd probably say that zero posts in any one day is showing the first signs that a forum is going to die. Though so far, the forum hasnt had to expirence it going that far yet. Though the single post that was posted on 19th April would be very close. I really don't think that statistics tell the full story, we could have a high post count of pointless flaming and off-topic chatter (as certain other forums do) but what would be the point? People may post less on here but when they do their posts are usually interesting and well thought out - quality not quantity. I feel that if people feel pressured to post then it wrecks the atmosphere.
About the quality vs. quantity, the two go hand in hand really, most people want the quantity of a nice active forum as its the number of posts that people would be intrested, but if they find a nice active forum and they join then they'll see the quality. Never just allow for long winded posts, but do allow for shorter, jokey ones to be mixed in, they help lighten the mood, and make the forum entertaining, which is one of the primary thing people want, they want to be entertained. While this is there, but it's not there as often as the essay like posts that most people are posting. (I'll level that if it were a rule to post more than 3 paragraphs in each post, my count would be zero) Even on SimpleMachines.org people are sarcastic, take stabs at each other and have fun and entertain each other. There has to be a mix of seriousness and playfulness. I'll be honest, this forum features some of the craziest Simpsons threads that I have ever seen, I mean, going into essay like posts about the facial expressions of Lisa Simpson? Lisa's facial expressions are no more different than Homer's or Bart's or Mr. Burns's or Apu's or any other characters, I know this is a Lisa forum, but why discuss only Lisa in that thread, why not any other character? Whats more, this forum doesnt have a general off topic discussion board where you can just talk about anything general. This is something that can really boost activity and get people who dont have a primary intrest in the Simpsons but watch it every now and then to join as they can talk about something else and it is shown very obviously, currently all the off-topic posts are mixed in with the Simpsons ones and they get lost fairly easily. Also too many people seem to be apoligizing for not posting, dont, to me it makes you seem like you're a robot and are constantly require to post in the first day the thread/post was created. You're not exactly going to be hung for that. We are humans and cant be expected to be on a forum 24/7. As long as you post in general one day or even a week later is still good.
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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2007, 13:28 » |
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I'll be honest, this forum features some of the craziest Simpsons threads that I have ever seen, I mean, going into essay like posts about the facial expressions of Lisa Simpson? Lisa's facial expressions are no more different than Homer's or Bart's or Mr. Burns's or Apu's or any other characters, I know this is a Lisa forum, but why discuss only Lisa in that thread, why not any other character?
Whats more, this forum doesnt have a general off topic discussion board where you can just talk about anything general. This is something that can really boost activity and get people who dont have a primary intrest in the Simpsons but watch it every now and then to join as they can talk about something else and it is shown very obviously, currently all the off-topic posts are mixed in with the Simpsons ones and they get lost fairly easily. Well, actually you posted the answer yourself - this is a Lisa forum and not a general Simpsons forum. People who come here want to talk about Lisa, and not about Homer and Bart. Sure, it's not forbidden to talk about them as well, on the contrary, but isn't it exactly this fact that makes the forum special? For me, any off-topic boards drag the focus away from the main purpose of a forum. And if a forum dies, the first sign is not the lack of postings, but the increasing number of off-topic postings, since people are probably bored of talking about the actual topic (Lisa in this case). And quite frankly, that single post on 19th April is hardly a sign that this forum is in danger of dying.  Maybe the weather was nice, and everyone was outside, enjoying spring, instead of sitting in front of a computer. And if you take it seriously, we are already talking off-topic right now, aren't we? This discussion has nothing to do with Lisa, nor with the Simpsons in general, but about technical stuff and how we arrange our free time here. Please don't take this personally, but discussions like these always reminds me of those weird folks who run through a city, carrying a sign and calling "The end of the world is near!" They probably have a valid reason for their doing, but I prefer a more optimistic approach. 
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ambercrystalLOL... thanks, although the topic is a little outdated and maybe right now things aren't as bad as they were when George has created this topic (after chatting to me, I suppose). But thanks for supporting. ALMYou keep judging LTS by the mainstream forums' merits! This is very incorrect, while other forums (your MT2 including) are about everything, they don't have certain subject, they encourage people to talk whatever they like, their admins don't care what members are talking about, this forum is thematic. It has certain subject, rather narrow one, and for that reason, it can't be as active. Yes, when LTS experiences times of inactivity, I'm starting to worry about it. But on the other hand, I perfectly understand that LTS can't have 100-200 posts per day and remain LTS, it would just turn into yet another flooding range where people don't think a bit before posting, where all posts are one-liners (sometimes just one or two words!) and therefore absolutely not interesting to read afterwards. I think Internet has quite enough of such forums, why turning LTS into one of them. I want you to understand, I'm not heading for the activity record or something. How many posts per month LTS has, is not very important for me. 500 is as good as 5000 - I won't earn any money, or respect, or whatever from those numbers. I only tend to worry when the activity goes too low (say, less than 10 posts per day), and only because this is a first sign that LTS has inactivity problems. But when the activity is decent, I don't ask for more, and more, and even more. 
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You keep judging LTS by the mainstream forums' merits! This is very incorrect, while other forums (your MT2 including) are about everything, they don't have certain subject, they encourage people to talk whatever they like, their admins don't care what members are talking about, this forum is thematic. It has certain subject, rather narrow one, and for that reason, it can't be as active.
What about the NHC for example, thats a thematic forum, but it provides an Off-Topic section to have a change of pace and talk about something else for a bit.
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« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2007, 16:53 » |
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I don't get it at all... this thread is located under OFFTOPIC > Forum Discussion, it contains topics concerning the forum (but not on forum topic), and it contains off topic threads. You can post as much off topic here as you want, no? I do realise that alot of topics that belong here end up in the Lisa's Family section, guess people should make sure to categorize this better.
And ALM, with risk of sounding repetitive, I don't think that this is a forum that's meant for people who place quantity over quality. The small, thoughtful community is what makes this place unique, were it just another one in the bunch, the place wouldn't really interest me.
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« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2007, 21:04 » |
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ALMNHC is not about Lisa Simpson, it's about the Simpsons is general. This is much bigger area for discussions, besides, when it was just opened, the show was much more popular than nowadays. Of course they grow faster, you can't compare NoHomers and LTS. My another forum (ISFF) also has a big Offtopic section - but it's not something I'm proud of. There are interesting discussions, there are dumb discussions, but there are no Simpsons discussions, and that makes ISFF less attractive to the Simpsons fans. Imagine yourself wanting to see Simpsons-related threads and checking the last posts since your previous visit, and your disappointment when you see that half (or more) of the topics don't have anything to do with the show. It's possible to restrict your search with certain sections... but how many people do that? KasperI do realise that alot of topics that belong here end up in the Lisa's Family section, guess people should make sure to categorize this better. True... I usually move a topic into Lisa's Family when it still has some relation to the show, or might cause an interesting talk. And I tend to move a topic down here if it's "personal", i.e. about yourself solely. All "unpleasant" topics are also here. Yes, there are also birthday threads... but let's treat them as nice exceptions from the rule  So far, I'm quite happy about how the topics are separated.
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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2007, 21:36 » |
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I?m sure the forum will be kept open! These Lisa-themed art galleries you can't see anywhere except here. When I first saw those pics, I thought just WOW! I haven?t been most active users on here, but its important for me to have a place for writing Lisa, her beliefs and her enthusiasm for nature and animals. Its good the main topic isnt the Simpsons men and their stupidity  .
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« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2007, 18:13 » |
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I personaly think this forum is an exception to other forums. So rather than finding its differences (outlined as problems), and trying to correct them... think of it as an experiance. 
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