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« on: January 24, 2007, 15:38 »

I want to make a website to go with a story that me and ametur_poet are writing but I can't use FTP Client very well and mt HTML Skills are bad and the only website that I can find that doesn't support HTML is Piczo and I don't want to use a Freewebs Template, Do you think Piczo is the answer if it has a good layout?
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 16:14 »

Er... good question, because I never used it really... what is Piczo? Eek
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 16:24 »

www.piczo.com

You don't use HTML but you place images using the drag system
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 16:39 »

Aha, an online website builder. It could be a nice idea, if your connection & traffic allow Smile
Why not? If you're planning to make some sort of an illustrated story, this can work for you well.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 16:45 »

Thanks Dagdamor!
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 19:43 »

I keep saying this and I still mean it, I'll host you.
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2007, 15:28 »

Gary you alreadly have made me a website and I need to learn How to to use FTP Client maby when I have learnt how to use it then Thanks Alot!
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2007, 17:54 »

Piczo is free. Piczo is your friend. Wink
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2007, 01:23 »

Piczo is free, piczo is crap.

Piczo is not your friend.
Gary is.  Big Grin
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2007, 11:07 »

Freewebs is more complicated, but gives better results, if you're willing to try.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2007, 11:18 »

You could try this tutorial to improve your HTML skills: http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp
Or this one if you have the feeling the tutorial from w3schools is going too fast with everything: http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/chapX1.shtml

WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) editors always produce crappy results: big HTML files that load slow and don't display properly in every browser...
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2007, 15:33 »

Maggiecute - Tell me which client you use, and I should be able to teach you how to use it. FTP is easy. Or even read your specific clients documentation.

Casper - KDL's right, any page builder, Freewebs, Pizo, 50 Megs, Geoshitties are all useless, you cant build any type of website on them hosts.

Suusje - It depends on the WYSIWYG editor you use, Dreamweaver isnt so bad. Provided you do at least know how to code a bit. Tongue
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2007, 18:53 »

Actualy, your the mistaken ones.

Not all of us have all these super-duper programs, and not all of us study computer languages since, really, theres easier ways.

Free website builders are good, because they take the hastle away from HMTL scripting etc etc. If you want to get rid of advertisements and have a unique domain name, you pay.

KDL, Piczo is not crap. Nor is Freewebs. Its a good solid start to web building.

Some of us have more important things to do in our lives than sit and read strings of code. Such as have fun.


I built a website on a lot of these builders and they looked presentable, and I could upload my pictures easy enough with no web skill at all.
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2007, 15:03 »

Nope. You're still mistaken, I've been doing this for years.

I've used Freewebs, 50 Megs and the lot of it, I've been there and done it. Dreamweaver isnt hard to get hold of as long as you dont have a problem with cracking it. Free website builders arent any good when effectivly you can get a program that has both a design and a code view for free.

All free hosts will forse advertisements as you said, 50 megs I know places one on top, one on the left and one on the right, Freewebs isnt so bad, but they forse a top banner which scrolls with the screen and is annoying.

They clog your code with pointless javascript because of those ads thus making the page load slower, probably even for faster connection.

KDL has used Piczo, he's learned the truth about it, and agrees with EVERYONE in the community which you are completely oblivious too, called "The Simpsons Community".

Also, for some people creating a website, reading code, learning programming languages can be fun for some people, it is for me. Not everyone likes to get on a skateboard and perform the same kickflip over and over, and probably break a few bones in the process.

I've seen some of your pages, while your art is good, the actual site itself wasnt. You must have a design of some type. You dont have to use fancy PHP. But you must at least understand HTML so that you know whats going on with the page.

I have created a site for Maggiecute and I also host it, at http://monica.babysimpson.co.uk, creating a website isnt rocket science.

Free pagebuilders = Laziness
Actually understanding and building it yourself = Professionalism
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2007, 15:35 »

AwwLilMaggie
Free pagebuilders = Laziness
Actually understanding and building it yourself = Professionalism

In my opinion, Casper meant different thing... of course building HTML pages yourself is more professional than using online builders or even using Dreamweaver. But what if you don't have time, or desire to learn all that stuff? It's like knowing what happens inside of your car and fixing it yourself - but people all around the world prefer using tech service instead. It doesn't have anything to do with laziness, it's only a matter of free time.

Try to look at this from another side - you build pages yourself, and that's great, but what about hosting them? You don't maintain your own server, you use someone else's one for that - because it's easier and faster. The same with websites, you can either do all the thing yourself, or use already existing tools/services.

KDL has used Piczo, he's learned the truth about it, and agrees with EVERYONE in the community which you are completely oblivious too, called "The Simpsons Community".

* Dagdamor becomes very suspicious every time someone "agrees with EVERYONE", since it looks more like a sect than a community Rolls Eyes
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2007, 15:40 »

Gary, you're not mistaken and neither is Casper. Don't you realize that when you say
Also, for some people creating a website, reading code, learning programming languages can be fun for some people, it is for me. Not everyone likes to get on a skateboard and perform the same kickflip over and over, and probably break a few bones in the process.

You're saying the same thing that Casper said with

Some of us have more important things to do in our lives than sit and read strings of code. Such as have fun.

Besides that you both have used personal tones that i don't really like (to question one another's "private life fun" trying to diminsih it for argumentations sake is not cool), you are agreeing on this: There is no argument at all.

The simple fact is that for someone who does not want (for motives that are only private)to spend time in understanding html or fiddle with codebut still wants to make a site, stuff as Piczo is *a* way to go, and not a bad one. You know the disvantages of using an automatic web builder, so it's your choice.

On the other side, knowing and understanding programming gives you a great handling on the content, looks and speed of your site. Nice results, but it requires time , patience and first of all a innate liking to the subject at hand (programming).


Oh, one last thing:
Free pagebuilders = Laziness
Actually understanding and building it yourself = Professionalism
You might be right, but this kind of argumentations wont make your opinion more strong, even because you know very well that it could be reversed easily and with the same results. It just make you look un-nice to the readers Wink So, to everyone, please refrain to low jabs as this. It's not needed in this board, we're all smart enough to know better.  Lisa
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2007, 16:30 »

The same with websites, you can either do all the thing yourself, or use already existing tools/services.

Which all suck. Plain and Simple.

My point is, with ANY Simpsons or Futurama site, people want quality, not something any half-whit can put together. If you're going to make something on Piczo, then you might as well not have built it at all.

README: What you need to know when running a Simpsons site
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2007, 17:46 »

The same with websites, you can either do all the thing yourself, or use already existing tools/services.

Which all suck. Plain and Simple.

My point is, with ANY Simpsons or Futurama site, people want quality, not something any half-whit can put together. If you're going to make something on Piczo, then you might as well not have built it at all.

README: What you need to know when running a Simpsons site
Yeah, nice edit on your first post, Gary Tongue

And if pagebuilders suck, the Simpsons community must be quite horrifying for you. More than 50% of the sites are made using Photoshop Slices and Cutenews. There isn't much that produces more horrible HTML than that combination.

I agree with you that learning HTML is nice if you want to build a site, but it isn't necessary. The exisiting webpagebuilders do what they have to do and it is possible to create a nice site with them. And even it doesn't work out too well, people will still come back to your site if you have nice content. The lay-out isn't everything! Look at Google. It has the most simplistic, easy to make lay-out and yet it's the most popular search engine on the internet. People visit sites for the content, not for the lay-out. If you have a clean looking lay-out with navigation that's easy to use, there shouldn't be a problem at all.

And Dreamweaver is for noobs, just like Microsoft Frontpage and Photoshop Slices! Tongue Real coders use Notepad. Wink

By the way, the most horrible sites I've ever seen were made with Dreamweaver, not with website builders like Geocities or Piczo. Tongue
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2007, 19:06 »

I think, Marco summed it up pretty well. I don't know Pizco, but I know similar tools, and while they may not be the greatest things on earth, they do the job for those who aren't experienced enough or do not have the time or will to learn HTML and/or a decent WYSIWYG editor like Dreamweaver. I mean, look at Jake Lennington, for instance, who has been using the Yahoo! PageBuilder and free GeoCities webspace since almost ten years now, but does it really matter? Yes, there are ads, and yes, the site isn't always available, and usually, it's rather slow, but it's not that our live depends on that, does it?

It is indeed the content that counts, and even the "best" Simpsons site with uber-fancy code and design will suck without decent content. I think everyone should concentrate on what he can do best. If a page builder tool does the trick, then let it be. If you want to learn a decent tool or even HTML, go ahead and do so. And if you don't want to mess with such things at all, why don't you ask someone who has a site to upload your pics to his (fanart) gallery? And if you ask someone with a popular site, you surely have a lot more audience than with your own small site. There isn't the best approach, but you have to decide yourself what works best for you. Smile
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2007, 19:54 »

I havent been around for a while, and I dont have much time so I'll be concise.

You cant compare 'Multi-talk' to a free hosted website builder. For the sake of opinion, I think Multi-talk sucks. It looks good, but content is poor, half of which seems like re-worded stuff from other information sites, regularly interupted by a ':P'.
Anyway, back to the topic eh?..

Dagdamor has half of my point, but theres more to it than that.
JUST because you've seen a lot of Simpson sites using free website builders, you think that NONE of them can be good. But its the minds behind the text your regarding as inferior. Personaly, its just ****ing ignorance. Some of those sites have great artists, writers, and generaly dedicated Simpson fans, who are less fortunate to be able to do things on a more proffesional scale. Bear in mind that most are probably newcomers to this, who are unfamiliar with the way the web works.

Who knows... maybe I'm just a **** wit looking at everything sideways. But if not, open your eyes... because not everyone has come that far.
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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2007, 20:00 »

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Er... Casper, I had to censor your post. Rolls Eyes
I'm also closing this topic for some time because things are going too hot here imho.
Guys, please calm down.
And the last thing: I agree with Marco and Andreas. Smile
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