Thats right, like it or not, Lisa has her flaws. OurFavourateEightYearOldGirl [OFEYOG] is just like all of us. I will now list OFEYOG's negative character traits.


1. Short Temper

Lisa has a very short temper. Examples of her agressive outbursts include; Yelling at Homer and calling him a baboon, threatening Bart with a syrup bottle, the 'pig' incident in LTV.

2. Arrogance

Case in point; being in tolorant of peoples beliefs in Lisa The Skeptic, ditto in Lisa the Veg

Please dont hold this against me, I still like Lisa.

I cant list anymore than that really... 

Maybe a big bum?


* Casper is stabbed

lol

Of course, everyone has their problems.

dantheman40k
Yeah, the short temper is her real problem. But for me it is dignity. Cause it allow to Lisa always remains herself. She, as a rule, yells and argues when her views of life are extremely touched or not supported by associates (except for cases of childish insults: "Lisa, will you marry with carrot?"). Especially I would like to be more unchained in expressing my feelings like Lisa...Eh!

From the lacks I would notevery unpleasant one. She has some refinement of her revenge... She can easily lose feeling of a measure if to let to her know that she is right and the revenge is "lawful". That we also observed in "On a clear day...". Another case - episode "Duffless": torturing Bart with experiences for sake the only purpose - to humiliate him in public (that he is more blunt than hamster). Isn't it the refinement revenge?

Dagdamor
""Jealousy" and "Control"...when one of them gets loose... that can lead to very interesting and funny situations..."
Like those two case that I've mentioned. When her "jealosy", in the general case - "the aggravated sense of truth", leaves from under the rigid control then causes similar "failures". Maybe buddhism with its meditations and aspiration to self-knowledge will allow Lisa to understand herself better. But it certainly the business of the future...

Suusje
"She can get really pissed at some times...but she doesn't just get angry. Someone must really make her mad before that happens."
Or just to be "wrong". Do you remember the the scene from "She of little faith"? When she yells at whole church and dispute against the reverend. As the reason for her "fit of anger" was poor pizza mascot.
Or from the recent series - "G.I. (Annoyed Grunt)" when she being the member of P.E.T.A. throws with a red paint into Krusty because his coat was made of some fur animals.

I am more and more trend to idea, that Lisa wants not "truly fair" world, but such world that would satisfy her own visions of justice and objectivity. And that's another her flaw - subjectivity in sights.

Run Dan, run for your life! *is stampeded by angry mob* 

This is a very interesting point, though, and i'm sure it would stir up an interesting discussion. I'm half-thinking of making a whole new thread for it.
As for the question..

Let's see, if i was in Hugh shoes... would i put up with the Simpsons Family, for Lisa and her love?
Well, Yes, i would. It would surely be hard at first to get adjusted to it... and probably i'd break a few bones  but, it would be definitely worth it, even because Lisa would surely appreciate it to no end.

Lisa didn't want Hugh to completely accept her family. When she was talking to him during/before the wedding, he said "I'm glad when we get back to England and we won't have to deal with them anymore." That sounds to me like he did want to cut Lisa's family out of her life.

If I were Hugh, I would probably have severe doubts if I would fall through the floor into a pile of manure while being in the Simpsons' home. Homer and Bart didn't exactly make a great first impression either.

GeorgeHarrison

*imagines Hugh in 20 years laying on the sofa with a donut*

I think, both Lisa and Hugh were wrong a bit in this situation. They both are wise people, and maybe if they tried enough, they might find a compromise. All they need - patiently discuss it, when Hugh calmed down from meeting Lisa's family. Maybe Lisa shouldn't arrange marriage in Springfield - just introduce her fiance and then think about Hugh's reaction and possible solutions.

What would be? A couple trying to work out their differences so that love can prevail?

That is true, I suppose. And unfortunately, the writers had to break Lisa's heart again to show it.

dantheman40k
That's one of my fav. episodes ever - probably the most... (as well as for other Lisa-fans here ) So i did a little research.

I must tell that Lisa never demanded something from Hugh. She has simply let him know she does not wish to support with him any relations when has come to light that contradiction in their views on life. Let us to recollect the original plot (please download the capsule of 2f15 if you don't believe me):
1) First of all Lisa and Hugh go in a taxi from the airport. That was the very fisrt moment when they conduct conversation concerning somehow to Lisa's relatives. At this moment we can see that Lisa is very much worries about there was no happening something shameful or terrible.
2) The scene with burning of Union Jack was hurting to Hugh very much indeed. But also Lisa was nervous too much as you can remember. She didn't standing with an empty expression on her face or more of it didn't laugh at situation (though damn it was worthy of it. That "flag-raising" is such a delirium...man...)
3) The scene in the bedroom of betrothed (first time - they not wear their pyjamas yet). Lisa itself names all that was try Hugh's nerves just as "ordeal". And he calms her at the same time easily determine of that he can permit - with that damn phrase:
"Lisa, I love you so much I'm willing to go through anything."
See? The borders starts to appear!
Now, to the next... The conversation during the supper with all the family at table - no claims at all, if only to not consider that Hugh has even more become stringer in a lack o culture of Simpsons family.
4) The second time they're in the bedroom. Lisa again undertakes an attempt somehow to play down the negative impression at Hughfrom her family.
"I'm sorry I left you alone with Homer and Bart." - she says with a grief.
5) Right before the conflict - they're talking about the cufflinks. In this time i must to agree that finally Lisa is expecting something from him. But this is not the case she want or force him to take some decision - whether it she and her family or his notorious precious honoUr is more dear to his heart. And hell he does that decision in the next scene...
6) The breakup. There's nothing i can add - all was told by other fans. So i just have to summarize all that crap i post here...

Thus, as you can see, for all the time of current episode we never saw a moment when Lisa tolds to Hugh that he SHOULD RESPECT her native or obliged to do something, expect for  that turning-point with damn pork-cufflinks. Simply, you understand, it is like already self-evident for Lisa - to recpect close people. And she of extremely high opinion about Hugh (don't you think she would start close relationships with whoever ) However it's Hugh himself has not justified her expectations. Because of his arrogance and pride he hasn't wanted to do like a gentleman. Instead of understanding and conceding to his lady, he persists speaking something there about honour of family (a honour from which is probably remained nothing in 21 century)


Summing up i shall tell i have nothing to blame Lisa. And i think it's not the point at which you have to stand upon. It is Hugh itself guilty in his own acts.

Simpreal
"Let's see, if i was in Hugh shoes..."
It's really hard to imagine for me since i'm not a Hugh-type person and never will be such one. He maybe much intelligent and erudite than me, but, hell... i have my own character and if there was an occasion to take a closer look with such girl like Lisa of course i should behave myself with her parents exactly the same way as and with other poeple, not more, or less...

Without going overboard, they met in America. Hugh wanted her back in England. If he's so rich, inteligent and above all, full of care, surely he wouldnt pressure her to go to England for her life.

* Casper looks out the window

... I mean thats just damn right cruel.

Thats exactly what I sai... uh... I mean... A bomb!

*runs into the distance*

(opps )

@Dag:

After Hugh said "I'll be glad when we get to England and we don't have to deal with them anymore", he said "Well, maybe Marge can come over". I think Lisa would still like to see Homer, Bart and Maggie.

I agree it probably wasn't the smartest idea to stop the wedding. I'm sure they could've solved this together, because they're both very intelligent. But I guess that's what you get with only 20 minutes of airtime on TV.

Suusje
I'm pretty sure when he was saying "we" that moment, he meant "me" actually.
Scary remembrances still were too fresh in his memory...

Dagdamor agrees with me? W00t!

On a serious note, I think it should have been pretty clear to Lisa that Hugh, being the stuffy-Mark-Darcy-esque British stereotype that he is, would not take to Lisa's oddball family. And I stand by my opinion that, if the Simpsons were real people and your potential in-laws you would have reservations.

Ygg, I will respond to your post later, I am feeling a bit tired right not.