Gustavo
(If I've understood you correctly), You're saying that God understands that we aren't perfect? Absolutely correct. But that doesn't mean He tells us that it's okay to be imperfect and that he'll let us into Heaven no matter what. We're commanded to follow Christ Jesus and take up our own crosses each day, doing our best to follow His commandments and walk in righteousness. Yes it's impossible to live without sin, but as long as we're making a genuine effort to turn away from it, He'll forgive our many failings without a second thought.

Are you saying here that you don't believe the Bible is the Word of God?

Yeah... The Bible is the word of God, but is not perfect because  the is a book write by humans...

The Bible was created under inspiration of God, so it is the right way and let her study and understanding of happiness, however, is a book written by humans ....

There are people who could not read or study the word of God ...

There are people who have another religion ...

There are people who DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD!

Even some people who can not read ...

but they are good people ... and for them the gates of heaven are open ...  Jesus in sacrifice for our sins, for everyone, for our salvation ... even if we do not believe in Him ...

The Bible is important in the West, Buddha in Asia, the mulsmanes follow the Koran .... All holy books are created under the inspiration of human goodness ... The bookks aren't perfects....   , maybe is hard of understand but since the sky is possible open the eyes, the humanity is a long story of sacrifice and love, we are a part of the soul of God...all are ONE! 

The Creator left us just a word that we should respect and is engraved with fire in our souls ...

the word is:
Love ....

No need to know anything more ... with that word is enough .. love the force that keeps the Creation, and when love ceases to exist, our existence will disappear, because if the love does no exist , we are'nt humans....

*weeps*  

Flawlessly addressed Gustavo

Gustavo
Touching, but it doesn't nullify the fact that the only way to life is through Christ - as Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

So you see, God does love everyone on this earth - we're all His creations, after all. But He is also a just God and a holy God, and he cannot co-exist with sin... that's why no one will inherit the kingdom of Heaven without the saving grace of Christ.

Gustavo
Yes, people's sin separates them from God. On their own, people have no hope of getting into Heaven - it is simply impossible for us to attain that level of righteousness. Even the most morally upright person on earth is like a filthy rag when compared to the holiness of the Lord - that's why God sent his only son, Jesus, to die on the cross and bridge a gap between himself and the sinners. That way anyone who repents of their sin and puts their faith in Christ will have that hope and promise of eternal life.

See above - "Even the most morally upright person on earth is like a filthy rag when compared to the holiness of the Lord".

That's quite a read...

On the original subject, I'm in agreement with GH that christianity or any religion should be able to set their own rules. If they don't want gay marriage in their "club", then gay people should accept that. If they want some sort of ceremony which grants the same legal benefits as marriage, then they should take it to proper authorities and make sure there is one. Cutting the church's funding to pressure them into changing their rules? What a cheap shot... political correctness in society is a big joke.

As for everything else... well, Gustavo said it all too well. :X But still

I think christianity's got alot of good things to teach, and so does alot of other religions. I'm very open to the idea of God, but what I do hope is that he really is as good and loving as these religions teach us. Which ultimately means that I really hope that GH is wrong about him. In this entire thread (or anywhere else), I haven't seen one reasonable, redeeming word for why alot of people, supposedly, are going to burn when they clearly do not deserve it. I hope that God isn't ALL what we're taught, because I could never pledge allegiance to a being so cruel. By cruel I don't mean the fact that he administers trials to see if people's faith is strong and pure, but rather that some people were never given a chance to have faith in the first place. I don't believe what the bible says, but still I'd say my kind of faith is in always following the beliefs I've come to recognise as a positive force in the world (gain, no loss) and never sway off course, no matter what trials are thrown at me. I won't believe what the bible says, but that doesn't mean I can't see that it has some really good things to tell me.

I also spotted the whole "homosexuality isn't natural" thing, and that's both a yes and no. It occurs naturally, but it's certainly not what nature intended. Darwin condemns homosexuals, but society has built a protective veil for them. It's already said, yeah I know, but I'd like to move on to say: so what if it's not natural?! Nature can be horribly cruel, sometimes fighting nature is a really good thing. Not saying that homosexuality is either a good or bad thing in itself, but it works out better for those who are.

Each time I hear you go on about religion it all sounds so negative GH, like you take pleasure in stripping individual thoughts down by relying on ancient scriptures (rewritten even) that you would never admit that they could be wrong... you can't trust anything in this world, there's always error, human error, nature's seeming error. I've rethought my positions quite a bit in the last year or two. If you wanna be right, you have to doubt yourself sometimes.

I don't think you're one to be hateful, but still, sorry for pushing my own thoughts in here, I actually have much respect for you as a person, which is probably why I seem to combat you often.

Sigh... I gotta push the post button before I just decide to skip posting altogether again...

hmmm....G.H  you are right ^^   BUT ....

I think that everything is ethereal and superficial ... The Human try of talk in name of God.....or know the nature of God ... But we can not understand these truths ....   ... sadly this is real... sorry... because we are not god...

We just need to do is live a good life and make the best of us because the Creator is our Father... and a father is love with his creation ... 

   Personally I can not hide some feelings that can be considered sin..      But I am happy with this...

Post data: maybe this lyrics of a nice song can explain this:

And time recedes every day
You can scour your soul but you won´t see
As we pass ever on and away
Toward some blank infinity

 

In this cause I want to say that according to some new cognitions, the altruism is better for the evolution as the egoism.