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« on: May 11, 2007, 19:20 »

(Split from the Lisa's character decline topic)

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You don't get it, do you: i'll waste my time trying to explain this to you one last time: after this, i won't be forgiving anymore.

You are free to have your ideas. You are free to express your ideas. You are free to discuss your ideas with other members.

But you must respect the other members and others opinions as much as you want others to respect you and your opinions.


Not if I think they are stupid for thinking it. I mean, how can anyone who claims to love Lisa as much as they claim to, like the cake scene in SWTE? Because it has your beloved Lisa in it?

Who do you think you are, spewing out sentences like the one i quoted in my above post and expect that people won't react to them? The escuxe of it being "just my opinion" doesn't work. Do you know the meaning of the word "respect"? It's not an one-way road, you must give it to receive it.
Think about it.

*thinks about it* *realises that he could give a monkeys if someone who obsesses over a cartoon eight year old doesnt respect him*

I'll leave the thread open in case anyone wants to talk about the original topic. If there's nothing to add, the thread will die naturally. I ask no further discussion to be done on the particular Dan VS LTS argument, please.

Yes, get back to talking about how wonderful Lisa is and how the big bad dantheman40k is a troll because he dared to suggest that Lisa might not be the greatest after all.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2007, 19:24 »

No wonder you were banned from the NHC, how many times? thrice?... Dont cram your opinion down other peoples throats...
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2007, 19:31 »

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I agree about Lisa's present to Homer, I personally like more when someone gives me a hand-made present, not a bought one - after all, you can always buy things you need yourself. Several years ago, my sister presented me a hand-made bookmark - it was a really nice gift, I still use it although it's falling apart now Tongue And the whole album, with the pictures that show your emotions so... nooo, I don't see anything bad in Lisa's behavior in that episode. That proves (at least to me), that her character is treated alright so far. Of course there are bad scenes here and there, but generally, I don't see much to be upset about.

How her bout her being redicliously clingy and over-childish! I mean a unicorn book?! It was so cynical and hackneyed that I resisted the temptation to change the channel. But I forgot, this episode has Lisa in it so it automatically RULEZ!!!!!!

What's more interesting in this case, if that Dan seems to be pissed off at the Lisa moments that others consider rather harmless, while not seeing anything bad in other scenes, with probably even worse characterization of Lisa. I'd like to see his explanations (not accuses!) why he considers them the worst moments in the show. Dan, try to explain your point calmly, without using a single word you wouldn't like to be used towards you. If you can do that, probably we all don't understand something, don't see something you see. If you can't... then your aversion is irrational, you shouldn't try to convince others in it, it would be a labor of Sisyphus. Big Grin

Dont patronize me. You think anyone who has something negative to say about Lisa hates her and I get rather sick and tired of explaining myself to you. So I wont.

I dont like the scene with the cake because it is degrading to Lisa's character.

I dont like the unicorn book because it was over the top sappy and Lisa's acing was terrible in that scene.

I dont like Lisa in Clear Day because it was mean spirited and cruel. Lisa was a bully in that episode. A BULLY!
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2007, 19:34 »

No wonder you were banned from the NHC, how many times? thrice?... Dont cram your opinion down other peoples throats...

 I am not cramming my opinion down anyones throats. It is the opposite in fact.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2007, 19:42 »

Well, we all know you tell the truth. Smile

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I'm staying out of this thread after this post because this is just gonna end up in a flame war and get a lot of people mad.





Too right about the flame war stuff though... that was clever! Shirlock Homles couldnt think of that!
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2007, 20:38 »

Well, let's skip all that boring talk about "respect" and "opinions" (after all those words reek so much of books, school, and brain: who needs those when we have an ego??) and let's get down to your so very interesting and articulated analysis about how
The last few seasons Lisa's character has been hollowed out into being a generic !LiberalActivist! role.
Hmm.. ok, that's the only thing you wrote about it. I don't even know that a !LiberalActivist! is, how could i be able to reply and argumentate over this if you,the thread starter, do not give me some material to work with? Oh wait, it might be such a matter-of-fact thing if all it took you to was just a sentence. So, nothing to discuss over here. You must surely be right!
Oh, by the way.. little off-topic: see that weird purpleish thing up here? It's a proper quote! YEs i know, it might be confusing at first to understand how it works, but i'm sure that with a little effort you can surely get the hang of it. Smile Let's go on.

The rest of your opening post is about three particular scenes that you reprised in one of your last posts, after a lenghty struggle in which you demonstrated how great of a human being you are (you're not a sad LisaLover, you're a *real man* and you don't care for other's judgements!! Aw, i wish i could be like you!):


I dont like the scene with the cake because it is degrading to Lisa's character.

I dont like the unicorn book because it was over the top sappy and Lisa's acing was terrible in that scene.

I dont like Lisa in Clear Day because it was mean spirited and cruel. Lisa was a bully in that episode. A BULLY!

See, Dan? You're learning something! Smile  (oh and look, another proper quote! See, if an idiot LisaLover like me can do it, i'm sure an objective and open-minded person like you can do even better!):
"I don't like this - because -" is GOOD! While "Anyone who likes this is an idiot" was BAD.
I'm glad you're making all this effort and progress! Your motivations are still a bit too short and childish, but i'm sure this is a step in the right direction. You can do it Danny!
Since you spent oh so many words about these scenes (and in other threads, too!) instead of the main point of the thread, it means you give them a lot more importance, right? So let's get right to them.

1) Lisa and the Cake scene: Many have said this already, but you're contradicting yourself a bit.This scene shows *clearly* a bit of Simpsonic madness in Lisa: it's a flaw in her otherwise usual dull and square way to be. I personally liked that scene because it was a window on the simpson inside Lisa. If making her more of a Simpson and less of a perfect being is degrading to you, then i guess you're contradicting yourself (sorry for using such a complex word!).
Or maybe you just had some accidents relating cakes in your childhood? If so, i'm deeply sorry and i will try not to hit this key anymore.

2)The Unicorn book scene: Sappy? Hell yes it was! Big Grin Congratulations on your analysy capabilites! I wonder why you're not out writing books or something Smile Well, gushing aside... yeah, that situation was super sappy. Quite normal for a 8-year old girl, don't you think? I mean, have you ever read the things those girls write in their diaries? If not, i hope you'll never read Lisa's! You could be so shocked it might crush you... Again, this scene shows Lisa for what she is: a little 8 yer old girl, not a mature and angelic supergirl like you always think about her being... or you don't? I dunno, i'm stupid and i can't even remember anymore what is your point about Lisa: Is she too mature or too childish? D'oh, i probably can't reach the depths of your logical reasoning... Sorry for that!
Oh, and about the bad voice acting: Aren't we talking of Lisa or Yeardley? Are you aware that that is not Lisa's voice we hear? A bad day or a bad acting can happen sometimes, i dont think it's the case to bring down an entire character for that. Smile But maybe you love so much Lisa that you want just perfection for her. Besides, weren't we talking about writing? Writing is different than voice acting. I think! But if you say they're the same, they will be!

3)Lisa being a bully: You know, i think that's true. She was pretty mean to Bart in that episode. But i think that Bart deserved it, and when Lisa had a chance, she went a bit over the top in making him pay for all the things he did to her in the past. Again, imho Lisa is believable when acting like that. I can't say i would like her to be so mean all the time, but just once... again, for someone like you, that episode must have been a shock. Your perfect, sweet, kind, innocent Lisa turning into a bully? Aw... well, i can understand your pain. Smile

So, anyway, we had great fun so far... Maybe you're asking yourself why you aren't already banned, Dan? Well, the reason is... you're too damn funny. It's great to see how you manage to make a complete ass of yourself in each post you make in here. Smile

And learn to spell properly.
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2007, 00:23 »

After thinking about it for a couple of hours, i've changed my mind. I've been far too forgiving with you and i *did* warn you. You've broken the rules, constantly ignored my authority, disrespected other members even when they were willingly to put up a decent discussion despite your bad attempts to raise flamewars. Between having fun with your clumsy trolling and keeping you from pestering the board further, i select the second option.

dantheman40k, You are banned from LTS. Congratulations. :|
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2007, 00:42 »

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I agree with this decision (and honestly, I'm glad you, or we both, finally made it).
This is not even about Dan's behavior, but because of his constant attempts to turn LTS into something indecent, and I don't want other nice members to abandon this place only because of one single troll.
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