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« on: December 15, 2006, 12:25 » |
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Do you think that Lisa has been IC or OOC this season? From the episodes I've seen of season 18, Lisa seems to flit between being a straight man [woman?] to Homer or Bart's antics and the classic Lisa of the early years. Case in point: The Haw Hawed Couple, Lisa seemed to be very in character, and the sub-plot with Homer about Angelica Button was very well done and very season 3ish IMHO.
Just so you know, my favorate contempary Lisa episode is The Girl Who Slept Too Little.
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2006, 18:15 » |
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I haven't seen any Simpsons episode from the 18th season yet (THOH is the only exception, but I guess I cannot refer to it here), so I cannot answer. But judging on recent seasons - 15, 16, Lisa's behavior looks okay to me. The biggest writers' faults so far, imho, are: 1) Lisa suggesting to legalize gay marriages (I'm not a homophob, but that was just so much not Lisa-like); 2) Ralph becoming infantile; 3) Homer's behavior is weird recently, though I cannot say what exactly is wrong. Apparently he's following Ralph  But nevertheless, Lisa's characterization still looks nice to me. Episodes like "A Star Is Torn", "Smart And Smarter", "Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore", "The Girl Who Slept Too Little" were very good, I cannot ask for more. |
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2006, 18:23 » |
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I haven't seen any Simpsons episode from the 18th season yet (THOH is the only exception, but I guess I cannot refer to it here), so I cannot answer. But judging on recent seasons - 15, 16, Lisa's behavior looks okay to me. The biggest writers' faults so far, imho, are: 1) Lisa suggesting to legalize gay marriages (I'm not a homophob, but that was just so much not Lisa-like); 2) Ralph becoming infantile; 3) Homer's behavior is weird recently, though I cannot say what exactly is wrong. Apparently he's following Ralph But nevertheless, Lisa's characterization still looks nice to me. Episodes like "A Star Is Torn", "Smart And Smarter", "Milhouse Doesn't Live Here Anymore", "The Girl Who Slept Too Little" were very good, I cannot ask for more. What where your opinions on On A Clear Day I Cant See My Sister [if you saw it]? |
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2006, 18:29 » |
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Imo, even there Lisa acted alright, keeping in mind what Bart did to her in the beginning of the episode. It was plain cruel... imagine that: Lisa drowning in the lake, she could die there, and frigging no-one was going to help her, they were just standing and watching (and laughing).  I was surprized she has found the strength to go to school again after that excursion. Besides, Lisa felt remorse and made things up in the end. |
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2006, 18:33 » |
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Imo, even there Lisa acted alright, keeping in mind what Bart did to her in the beginning of the episode. It was plain cruel... imagine that: Lisa drowning in the lake, she could die there, and frigging no-one was going to help her, they were just standing and watching (and laughing). I was surprized she has found the strength to go to school again after that excursion. Besides, Lisa felt remorse and made things up in the end. I didnt like it. I thought Lisa's treatment of Bart was overly-cruel and borderd on bullying to be frank. I thought the way she forgave Bart was pretty contreved. All in all, that episode sucked. |
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2006, 18:40 » |
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Well, even if consider this episode as "worst Lisa characterization" (which can be true, I don't know), what exactly happened there? Bart acted cruel to Lisa, Lisa acted cruel back to Bart. Nobody died, there were no visible consequences. All that spoiled Lisa's "perfect reputation" a bit, but didn't ruin the whole episode imho.  I cannot adore the perfect creature; episodes where Lisa acts unusual, only make her character more "real" to me. A counter question: what do you think about Lisa wallowing in the cake in "Sleeping With The Enemy"? |
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2006, 21:14 » |
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Well, even if consider this episode as "worst Lisa characterization" (which can be true, I don't know), what exactly happened there? Bart acted cruel to Lisa, Lisa acted cruel back to Bart. Nobody died, there were no visible consequences. All that spoiled Lisa's "perfect reputation" a bit, but didn't ruin the whole episode imho. I cannot adore the perfect creature; episodes where Lisa acts unusual, only make her character more "real" to me. A counter question: what do you think about Lisa wallowing in the cake in "Sleeping With The Enemy"? One of the most bad taste moments in the shows history. On a par with Homer being raped by a panda IMO. It is made worse when you consider that Yeardley has bulimia. |
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2006, 21:34 » |
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A counter question: what do you think about Lisa wallowing in the cake in "Sleeping With The Enemy"?
I think that was way off, and so was the episode. It's not like Lisa to be worried about her appearance. That's an off-characterization, IMO. |
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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2006, 21:50 » |
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I think the main problem is that the producers once decided to make Lisa a "little adult", always acting wise and beyond her age. Now, whenever they try to show her acting like a child again, it just looks plain wrong. The scene with the cake is a prime example, that "one more bite before I lose my dignity" was so in-character for a child of her age! It's nothing wrong in making her smart - even smarter than her dad, but I for one like the moments when her true self breaks through, when she loses her temper a bit, yells, or maybe cries, as every kid would do.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2006, 04:32 » |
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dantheman40kKDLAw... I'm sorry to know you didn't like that. Imo, that was one of the cutest moments in the whole show... and very funny, too. I loved it to the bits, and watched many times afterwards.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2006, 11:58 » |
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dantheman40kKDLAw... I'm sorry to know you didn't like that. Imo, that was one of the cutest moments in the whole show... and very funny, too. I loved it to the bits, and watched many times afterwards. Do you slow down for car accidents? |
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2006, 12:12 » |
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Uhm... explain what you meant here.
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2006, 13:03 » |
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Do I sense a bit of sarcasm in this topic that I'm not understanding here. :???
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2006, 16:55 » |
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Uhm... explain what you meant here.
You seem to have a very strange sence of humour if you find the Lisa cake scene funny. I thought that it was grossly disrespectful to the character to the point that it was unbearable to look at. |
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2006, 22:18 » |
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Do you slow down for car accidents? It kinda means the same thing as asking 'Do you drink and drive?'. Or... to put in the raw context of the question, 'Are you an idiot?'. Which I find unnessesary conflict. If you disagree, respect his opinion. Dont start a flamewar. (sorry for going offtopic) |
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