Dagdamor
Then please don't single us out as the only people disapproving of Russian actions... really, it's the whole world community. Please be more specific unless you're just lying to my face. And I'm inclined to believe the latter for two reasons.

First of all, the topic name is "US vs. Russia". Vs. Russia? What is this, a boxing match?

Secondly, you said "Apparently, USA blames Russia for defending innocent people, since we didn't do much aside from that. :/". You're completely making us sound like the bad guys here. Really, the majority of the world blames Russia for its actions, not just the United States. Again, next time, don't single us out.

I don't want this to devolve into a nationalistic flamewar, and I'm sure you don't either (or at least I would hope you don't). But I'm not going to sit idly by and let you make America out to be the bad guys here. We aren't.

My opinion:
Everyone is born equal, genetics aside. The largest contributing factor to who a person becomes is environment. That includes family, friends, and community on all levels.

That is why we can end up with an Albert Einstein or... say an Adolf Hitler from the same part of the world and relatively the same time. (example only!)

Ours views and choices are all affected by our own personal experiences.

G.H.
First, the topic says "Georgia vs. Osetia", and what you has quoted, is put within parenthesises, and followed by a question sign. This means that I'm not claiming anything about US, but asking that, suspecting that. If I'm wrong - I'd like to see a valid arguments proving that.

Second, no need to claim that all the world is blaming Russia. It's not so. Most of European countries preferred to take neutral side (which is quite smart), some support Russia, some Georgia. It's normal. No one supports US, for the simple reason: they weren't, at least officially, a part of the conflict. There is no need to support US, because nobody blames US in that conflict (it's obvious that it was solely Saakashvili's decision, without America involved) or any actions related to it. But I find it unfair that US started to slander our country on the official level. It was plain disgusting, what I heard both from Bush, McCain and even Obama.

G.H.
If you use the "Russia bombing Georgia" sentence again and again, then you either didn't read the first post or doesn't believe my words at all. In the whole conflict, there was only one episode which can be interpreted as "Russia bombing Georgia": when our aircraft destroyed the main radar in the Georgian military base. That's all. All other operations were performed by land forces. Do you know why it was so important to destroy that radar? Because Georgian army used it to aim their bombs at Tskhinval. Do you know which bombs were used by Georgian army? It were "Grad" ("Massacre") complexes, specially developed to raze cities to the ground. Do you want to know how Tskhinval looks now? You better find some photos and look.

I know there were rumors that Russia have used cassette bombs on Georgia (I wonder why not nuclear). But all of them turned out to be fake afterwards. Even European news stopped repeating that fake now, only US still do. I know there were rumors that Russian forces were close to Tbilisi (Georgia's capital). But Saakashvili, who said it first, later publicly admitted that it was his own tanks column. Again, after Saakashvili admitted his own mistake, European news stopped repeating it, but not US ones...

Vanguard20
Thank you.

Dagdamor
I know you want to have the last word in this, and you know that I won't allow you to get away without some kind of compromise. Russia bombed Georgia, accept it. Read the news story provided by Vanguard20.

I don't know why you chose to create this thread, as all other members said only bad things come of it. I'm not looking for absolution from you - all I want is for you to acknowledge that this was a poor move at best, to post something like this here. If you're so sure that your nation is in the right here, then why create a thread about it? Nobody was sitting around saying "DAMN THOSE ASSHOLE RUSSIANS FOR ATTACKING GEORGIA", so why bring the subject to LTS in the first place?

Vanguard20, seriously... pipe down.

You might have all the reasons in this world, but joining on this board just to post in a side thread like the starting poster was your drinking buddy, using offensive tones and witty remarks, and all of this as your only first post?

Change your way, immediately.

P.S.: the correct spelling is "fallacious".

I'm sorry, since when is commenting on obvious statements trolling? If anyone around here is trolling it is you, you gave this thread a loaded title intending to get a reaction from non-Russian members. Dont get pissy because people are calling you on it.


How about a video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b6yOFkyINs&feature=related



The article says a bit of truth, too, I must admit:



For defence?