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Question: Are you a vegetarian?
Yes - 3 (16.7%)
No, but I understand them - 9 (50%)
No, I will never refuse eating meat - 6 (33.3%)
Total Voters: 18

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2008, 09:25 »

I certainly respect the views of other people, so if someone decides to become a vegetarian, he has my admiration. Personally, I couldn't imagine to stop eating meat, though. Animals are eating meat as well, so I don't feel that it's "unnatural" or whatever, and if a lion kills a zebra, it's not more or less cruel than a human killing a cow. Obviously, there are some questionable methods of breeding animals, such as putting hens in cages for producing eggs, and I'm aware of the fact that I can't avoid eating those eggs - I can buy other eggs for baking a cake myself, but in a pre-produced cake, I'm sure only cage eggs are being used, for instance.
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2008, 09:59 »

Think of what would happen if everyone was vegetarian.
And there are already many, so I think your points of view are wrong. Anyway I don't know how these people (vegs) are replacing the proteines and so on. There have to be pills ore something that include them, I hope.
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2008, 10:15 »

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Yer, thanks for pointing it the matter of quantity in vegetarianism... the less meat needed, the less animals will actually be bred... if an animal was never born, then the animal will never suffer... increased quantity of vegetarians = decreased quantity of animals at risk of living horrible lives, and in any case decreases the amount that are slaughtered. And that's really not the only point a vegetarian can make... there's nothing wrong with eating meat, but on the other hand saying it's a good thing, and needs to be done is just plain ignorant...
Animals eat other animals, because it's their nature, it's really not a choice... some animals eat plants, because it's their nature... not a choice. Man still falls back on their natural instincts, but as we all know what separates us from the animals is that we can choose. Choosing to eat meat is alright, it's just the way nature works, choosing not to eat meat is actually natural in the sense that anyone who does has evolved into it, one way or another. Arguing that eating meat is better than being a vegetarian means you've made your choice to just go with nature and don't think about it. Eating meat, but knowing how vegetarianism can be better means you see the cruelty of nature, but think it's gonna be too much of a change (in lifestyle), a change that you do not want. Vegetarianism means you don't like the thought of eating an animal, and it's really the same as the previous two options, you do what you feel like.
So, it's all just nature, and nothing is inherently wrong. The person him/herself decides what he/she feels. My personal opinion stands... I give less respect to those who think eating meat is all good, respect to those who admit the consequences, more respect to those who choose to not be part of the consequence.

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Pills? Tongue No way, the alternatives are made from fungus and soy proteins.


Mince meat substitute. Tastes... mince meat, except it's a pretty dry by itself since it's not juiced up with blood.


Fillet... tastes chicken!


Bits, great for stews, wok etc.


Burgers...

You get the idea x_x There are schnitzels, quorn/soy sausages, steaks, meatballs etc. etc. If I'd be swallowing pills and eating sallads I wouldn't be a vegetarian. ;p
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2008, 10:38 »

OK I'm not informed well yet Big Grin
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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2008, 12:05 »

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You raised an interesting question in my head from your post Smile

Having peice of chicken on a plate on your right, and a peice of fillet on a plate on your left, which would you go for?

The chicken is already dead, and is the true original taste of chicken. Where as, the fillet is a chicken substitute, but is completely vegetarian.

Which would taste better? I havent had fillet before, but would like to try it now. Or is it the feeling of eating a dead animal that puts you off the most?

Sorry for all the questions Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2008, 12:58 »

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I'd go for the quorn fillet (fillet btw isn't exclusively veggie, it's what you call pieces of meat products without any bones, sorry don't know how often the word is used in english) whether I was a vegetarian or not. The quorn fillet actually doesn't taste 100% like a chicken fillet, but I like the taste of it better than chicken. If I wasn't a vegetarian, I probably would've gone for a regular hamburger instead of a quorn burger. I've only tried one kind of veggie burger so far, it's pretty dry... same for meat balls, unless you've got some sauce or lots of dressing for the burger, I'd prefer the meat. Other than that I've got no complaints... since I'm lacto-ovo vegetarian I've got access to any and all peripherals in my meals. (=
The chicken is already dead you say, I guess you could say I just want to be part of boycotting the industry. I'd have no problems eating meat at all, I've just chosen to do whatever little I can to avoid harming animals... and the more people who stop eating meat, the less will be produced. Say you and a group would decide to boycott the coffee industry (or anything that you feel is wrong) because the farmers are grossly underpaid and can hardly afford food. It's not like you'd go to the shops and buy coffee from any of the companies that buy their coffee cheap thinking "oh well, what's done is done, might as well save me those 50 cents and buy this one since it's here."
Like I said in a previous post, I envy those who actually feel real compassion from the animals, I just think I could do just as well without meat. Don't feel it if I don't see/know the animal. Can't feel for what I've never seen or met. And I'll also admit that I do take an EPA rich Omega 3 supplement (Eye-q) every day, fatty acids extracted from certain fish (at a certain time of the year as well x_x). I take it because I've always had trouble focusing, and since I started taking this half a year ago I've experienced alot of improvement in my ability to concentrate. There are Omega 3 supplements suitable for vegetarians, but this particular one is rich on EPA, and has shown good results in trials with people with neurological disorders (ADD and ADHD in particular. I've got asperger syndrome, though I was originally examined for A.D.D), because the bodies of people with such disorders have difficulties absorbing EPA. It does trouble me a bit that I keep taking this, but the reason I went vegetarian is because I didn't need to eat meat. I don't NEED this supplement either, which is why it troubles me, but I do want to take it for my own good... at least the fish oil is going to a good cause, and that there are no alternatives is what I think to accept my choice. x_x

Bit thorough answer, but there you go. :/
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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2008, 15:34 »

A thousand eyes! A twisted tail! Trapped forever! EPA! EPA!
sorry Big Grin

Actually I feel something from the animals, but only since I thought about being a vegetarian a few weeks ago.
Today I'll ask my mother about those things in meat everyone needs - her job is nutricion (is that the right word for someone who tells you about diets and so on?) Big Grin and then I'll take my decision.
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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2008, 22:13 »

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A good answer to all the questions. Smile Thanks for that! Interesting about the fish oils, makes me think about the whole meat thing in general. We as humans have been brought up on eating meat because, as cave-men, we NEEDED it for survival. Now there are plenty of alternatives and we dont need true meat as much.

I've been tempted into vegeterianism before, but personaly, I wouldnt like to limit the amount of food I could taste in my life. Ofcourse I havent eaten every type of food availible, so I wouldnt know if I was missing out on the best meal of my life until I tried it. Smile

(Would be ironic if quorn fillet was just that meal Tongue)
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2008, 22:26 »

I'm now a vegetarian "officially" but my mom wants me to eat fish.
Gotta try that quorn fillet, smells very good if those guys on the web pages are right.
I feel so much better although I'm still ill... weird.
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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2008, 16:16 »

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Yay ^_^ Makes sense that your mom wants you to eat fish if she's a nutritionist, it's a bit tough to get those fatty acids otherwise. I've got that covered though since I take my supplement.
I feel so much better although I'm still ill... weird.
Ill? In what way? :\

Casper
(Would be ironic if quorn fillet was just that meal Tongue)
Probably not, most kind of meats could be the best the best meal of your life, depends on what you do with it really. Tongue If it's eaten by itself, I love it with a little bit of black pepper and some flakes of sea salt on top of it. ^-^
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« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2008, 16:35 »

diseased, didn't know the other meanings of ill a minute ago Big Grin

and thay soy stuff tastes great!
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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2008, 01:21 »

Not being a vegitarian myself I can say Quorn is fairly good. I liked it. it almost has the right texture and was fairly impressed by the taste. It all depends how they flavour it though, some stuff may not be as good as the stuff I have had.

If i had a choice between the chicken and the chicken flavoured Quorn I would pick the chicken, but I would probably polish off the Quorn too.... I'm a greedy piggeh! Wink

Quorn was initially not accepted by Vegitarian Society due to the use of battery hen eggs, but now does not use battery hens. Interesting article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorn

And boy do some of the flavours of thier newer range sausages and burgers sound good!

http://www.quorn.co.uk/CMSPage.aspx?ssbid=65&prid=2
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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2008, 01:55 »

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x_x damn you! I haven't seen all of those in Sweden! At least not in the stores I've checked... better file complaints and make them order in some more stuff... or find a store specializing in vegetarian products. Those pages are crammed. x_X

The Q&A page looks a bit disappointing...
Q: In Which countries are Quorn products available?
A: Quorn products are currently available in the UK, USA, Ireland, Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium and The Netherlands.

Guess other countries gotta make do with what soy products... or if there are other companies that make food from processed fungus in those countries. :/
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« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2008, 02:05 »

Hey the brits invented it so we get to keep the best stuff Tongue

I suppose its supply and demand, they need to introduce slowly into new countries in order not to loose money. Quorn has been around a long time in uk and is well established so can afford to bring out lots and lots of new products. May be worth contacting them directly asking why certain products not availiable. Although I have to say I have not seen most of those in local supermarkets either. My local supermarket (Sainsburys) has a Quorn section which has only some of the stuff, while a rival, Tesco has different stuff, so the full range is still not availiable unless you visit many different stores, something which on a weekly show not many will do.

Can see what happened in USA happening in other places. Some people trying to get quorn banned in USA saying it can cause allergies in some people... true... but then all foods can. I think its more rival american brands trying to get rid of the competion because they know its far better... and I would imagine also the fact that its not an American invention.

Sadly I think Marlow Foods hold the rights to make food using this fungus in many copuntries, so unless a similar fungus is found similar stuff may be unavailiable in certain contries. Also some contries have strict food testing procedures before stuff can be imported or manufactured in these countries, so may be some time before tests are passed before it can be sold.
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2008, 22:39 »

One rather weird case has happened in Russia not long ago... a young couple of vegetarians (I have a feeling that they were vegans, though) has decided to raise their newborn girl as a vegetarian too. So they only fed her with vegetables. In some time girl started to feel bad, they showed her to the doctor and he diagnoses that because of the wrong nutrition, her bones, especially her spine, became fragile. Sad I don't understand how that could have happened. Unless they were vegans and denied even milk products, baby should have received enough of proteins. Of course they should have consulted dietitian before making such decisions...
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