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Question: Are you a vegetarian?
Yes - 3 (16.7%)
No, but I understand them - 9 (50%)
No, I will never refuse eating meat - 6 (33.3%)
Total Voters: 18

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« on: May 12, 2008, 23:45 »

We had similar topic in the past, but it was more about Liser than anything else...
Do we have vegetarians/vegans here? What do you know/think about it? Was you ever mocked for your beliefs, or maybe mocked someone else? Wink
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2008, 01:13 »

I went for the third option. I've never had anything against vegetarianism, but I just couldnt do it myself. I dont feel bad for the countless cows or pigs that are slaughtered or anything like that, but at the same time I wouldnt enjoy watching it happen.  Confused

I've heard my brothers say in the past and to some extent believed, that the animals would be killed anyway, whether one person doesnt eat the meat or not. So in that view, vegetarianism was reletively pointless.

Having grown up a lot more though, I've grown out of that 'vegetables are horrible' phase in life and realised some of the best foods I've eaten, are simple salad sandwiches with cheese and mayonase.... mmmmm....  Gigi

[went kinda offtopic Tongue I wonder if a cow would kill you for food...]
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2008, 02:41 »

I Live in Argentina. In this country if you don't eat 200 Kg of meat per day are rare  Tongue. But many years ago I travelled to the country and I see the farmers kill a cow. That was the most horrible and disgusting I saw in my life  Sad. Since that day I was eating less meat.
I'm not vegetarian but I am in the process  Tongue, for this I vote the first option...

(sorry for my bad English)
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2008, 02:49 »

"Gars no function meat well without"

Simply put.

Number 3. Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2008, 03:21 »

*Thanks Dag for creating this thread, I love threads that encourage debate/opinions. :x

Yer, I finally decided to become a lacto-ovo vegetarian (means I still eat/drink dairy products and eggs) a few months ago. Reason being that I just don't want to feast on the remains of a dead animal while it's completely unnecessary. I can manage just fine without hurting an animal, so why not?
Alot of these animals are being tortured to death, and some of them are being raised in cramped up spaces, living in agony until the day they may finally go to rest. This is completely unacceptable, whether we actually need the meat to survive or not.
I'm not really extreme though, I envy people who can actually feel bad for the animals, I don't really "feel" that strongly about it, I just figured it's somehow right not to eat animals. Don't feel that it's inherently wrong... it's just nature. So eating meat isn't wrong, but it's not right either. I'd be alot more at peace if it wasn't cos we cause the animals unnecessary suffering. I respect people who eat meat as long as they can admit that there is a problem with the way the animals are treated. (I respect vegetarians more though Tongue)

As for veganism I think it's just overkill... stay away from any products that involves harming animals (including clothing), enjoy the rest. Milk cows and hens are usually being treated well in their lives, and it's a win-win situation. We provide the animals food and shelter from their natural predators, they reward us with food (and clothing!). Eggs doesn't involve taking a life or anything, for most of the industry they're unfertilized. If one's a vegan because they still think the animals are treated poorly, I guess that's alright, I'd rather just try making an effort to improve conditions for animals.

Hunting for the sake of preserving the biodiversity, like thinning out the number of a species in order to save them from starvation is fine with me, I think it's important for us to preserve our current ecosystems.

As for being mocked... few know or care that I am a vegetarian, my brother keeps going on about it though, how it's wrong to be a vegetarian and that eating meat is right. No arguments other than it's whimpy to not eat meat and manly to do so. Not really a big deal though, he mocks me for absolutely everything, I just filter him out and have a laugh when I can. ^-^

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Having grown up a lot more though, I've grown out of that 'vegetables are horrible' phase in life and realised some of the best foods I've eaten, are simple salad sandwiches with cheese and mayonase.... mmmmm....
Tongue Well, being a vegetarian/vegan doesn't really restrict you from eating the same meals you've always had, there are substitutes in the form of quorn, tofu and soy products. Variations of quorn are heavenly, I can't get enough of that stuff. I didn't really change my diet much at all since I became a vegetarian, I eat the same meals as the rest of my family, just replacing the meat products.

Rain_Kid
Aww, well I hope your family will respect your choice if you ever decide to go full vegetarian. I wanted to become a vegetarian for well over a year before I made the transition, mostly because I assumed my family wouldn't support me. My mom does. Her husband, my brother and sister don't appear to see it though. ;/ So yer, I know it's harder than it may sound to some, but don't drop the idea... if not while living at home you can always switch over once you've moved out. (=
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2008, 08:37 »

I'm not a vegetarian, but i understand their choice and i kind of admire them for it.

But i could never stop eating meat products... no matter what, but with good cooking and good choice, some meat can be a HEAVENLY dish... and don't forget i come from Italy, that even if it's a land full of problems and less than good habits, the cooking is still to be proud of Tongue
I won't talk about meat being necessary for the good health of a person, as i think it isn't.. there are many alternative products that give more or less the same. I'm just talking about the taste and enjoyment.

As for the talk about animals being "tortured" and killed: yes, i'm well aware of that too, i think aobut it from time to time... but i take it in a pretty simple way, call it egocentrical or simplistic in any way you want: simply, animals are part of the food chain, and man is a omnivorous creature (if not, we wouldn't have the conformation of teeth we have). From ages past, man has always had meat as the primary source of sustainment. Lately, with science and knowledge, this is changing a bit, and maybe in the future, if the world doesn't end first, we'll have a complete replacement for meat.
A little explanation to mark the differences...
Animals killed for food: it's sad and deprecable and it should be done making the animal suffer as little as possible (i don't know really how much of this is done), but it's still necessary for this world.
Animals killed for their fur/coats: Revolting, abominable and USELESS. totally useless. Especially because to keep the coat in good shapem the animal must often be practically skinned alive.
I'm for the first, not for the second.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2008, 15:39 »

I voted 3...I just CAN'T LIVE without a bacon butty or a chicken pizza...Tongue
However, I am not a fan of all meats, I could probably deal without beef, or lamb...I am usually very fussy about a lot of pork too (sausages for example, tend to have "expensive tastes" Embarrassed),...

I could try to be a vegetarian, would probably last a week at the most till I crave meat again...
plus as already mentioned, it obviously won't stop the killing/slaughtering of animals
I'm no passionate animals rights activist but like most people, I'm no fan of animals being hurt/tortured/tested on for our sake etc...
but it's not something I tend to think about, or even want to think about when eating meat, would rather just enjoy the taste of a chicken chow mein rather than worry about where it came from X)
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2008, 18:43 »

I was vegetarian for a few years when I was in school, essentially because the meat dishes they served in my school canteen were so horrible Tongue , but it ended up bleeding over into the rest of my life for a while too. Eventually gave up and am now a happy omnivore (though would still spend a day or two just living on veggies from time to time) Smile .
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2008, 19:04 »

I went for the second option. I'm not a vegetarian, in fact I eat more meat than veggies (I should've went for the third option), but I understand their points of view. Killing animals is cruel, I agree, but meh, circle of life.
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2008, 22:36 »

I voted for 2nd option. I eat meat and personally could not live without it. BUt I understand very well the concerns of vegitarians. Veganism is something I however do not understand, eggs, milk ect can be obtained from the animals with no harm. Living without a nice Bacon sandwich with brown sauce is not an option for me.

Killing animals for sport, fur and general amusement is out of order and something I do not like at all. There is no positive excuse for it. Int the past animals were hunted for food and fur out of the need to survive. Now there is no reason to kill animals for the "fun" of hunting or for fur.
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2008, 23:33 »

Vegans don't eat eggs and drink milk? o_O I'm sorry, I just didn't understand...

Anyway, I agree with you. Killing animals for fun is cruel. I do not like that one bit. They're living organisms, just like we are (I was gonna say "living animals just like we are" but it would sound kinda... I don't know, stupid). I'm being kinda hypocritical, because I don't like animals to be killed, but I do like to eat meat. x_x It's some sort of "damned if you do, and damned if you don't" thingy.

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2008, 15:36 »

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Yer, vegans typically stay away from any material derived from animals. So in addition to milk/eggs they also avoid wool, honey or any other animal products, even if it doesn't involve harming animals.
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Damned if you don't eat meat? Tongue Vegetarian substitutes taste great, only problem is that some people may be intimidated by the fact that certain fast food or quick meals (fast food refers to crap) may get more limited, restaurants are often kinda sparse with the selection of vegetarian meals as well.
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2008, 10:05 »

I've been eating meat for whole my life, so when I think of a vegetarian's diet I can only imagine a plate of tasteless maccaroni or a bowl of some vegetables and green leaves. I'd die of starvation if I had to limit myself to such food:-)
Yes, I know vegetarian cuisine can be pretty nutritious, and there are a lot of spices to add taste to any meal, but still, I can't imagine a meal without a good piece of meat;-)
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2008, 17:04 »

I always felt sorry for the animals, so I'm transistioning over to being an ovo-lacto (one who still eats eggs, milk, cheese...) vegetarian.
I always thought that being one means not to weigh much and dhat would be a big problem cause I already weigh less than 91% of the world population. Now I know better about that.
The only other problem is that I'm 14 years old and live in a family with many meal-related diseases such as my sister who has big problems with coeliac and if I was a vegetarian things ike soy etc. would make even more meal costs. But when I go to a boarding school next school year I will choose the vegetarian meal plan. And I already don't eat sausages anymore, I eat cheese instead.

And my parents don't even know yet about my decision.
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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2008, 00:33 »

I tried going vegetarian once. It lasted a day.

That was back when I was infatuated with Lisa, so her views about animal cruelty naturally spilled over into my life. But it just seemed like a lot of effort to keep going with something that was trivial in the sense that it didn't accomplish much; as Mat said:

...the animals would be killed anyway, whether one person doesnt eat the meat or not. So in that view, vegetarianism was reletively pointless.

I couldn't agree more. Even if one person stopped eating meat, that doesn't mean one less animal would be killed - instead it means that one more animal would die needlessly, instead of providing nourishment to someone. And eating meat is not something people do for entertainment; it contains protein and a variety of other things needed to keep human beings going.

I don't believe that people have the right to be excessively cruel to animals, but I do believe that killing them is a necessary evil in which humankind must take part in to survive. It's the way of the world.
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