Ok, be honest with this

I don't mean the times were you didn't share her ideas BUT she was honest, or the times where you disagreed with her BUT she was good-hearted,or where she was totally in the wrong BUT she was so cute... so to justify her actions or sayings:
I mean the times were you really were angry at her, or disappointed in her without "but", where you thought she deserved to be punished for something.

What do you say, can you all be honest enough to find such an "uneasy" thing to bear, for a Lisafan? I have some, but i'll wait to see what comes up, even because i haven't got enough time to write them at work.

This was not so long ago. When I saw the episode 'Love Springfieldian Style' she has shown there as a drug (or chocolate) addict. And such view disappointed me to the bone... Man, I hate this episode now. What was really disappointing is her behaviour. She acted as if all goes right. And using the drugs is normal, as well as overfree relations. Maybe it's not the correct case. I'll try to remember something later.

Kasper
You're right, that's from the nineteenth season, the episode dedicated to Saint Valentine's day. You said Lisa from late season is not herself. I can agree with it at certain degree. But what I think that the show still goes forward. Everything needs a progress, and we, fans, can't stand forever on positions of old episodes. Lisa gets changed and it's need to understand it correctly. But still keeping passion to her. The creators of the show - they simply can't do careless work, at least now, after all this time. And the last episode with Lisa breathed secondhand smoke (see the 'Smoke on the Daughter') has it's own important idea. While in 'Love Springfieldian Style' Lisa has been shown simply degrading... a drug-girl who simply needs to communicate with someone and doesn't need any self-development. All her wishes and dreams was replaced and gone.

Yggdrasill - It wasn't really Lisa. It was just Bart telling a story, and the writers used Lisa to represent the character Bart was telling in his story. So it's really Nancy Spungen. One should never mix Lisa herself with the characters she is used to portray.

Remove that link.

I dunno what the problem is though... I might have to pull down LTBQ and then restore it once I've gone through everything.

Well, you went a bit off topic here.

Forget the writers, there exist no writers in this thought i'm making up We can't accept and praise Lisa for beign a real little girl when she's cute and pretty and gentle and blame on the writers when she's annoying or un-cute. Thats quite partial thinking

Just think about Lisa and her behaviour (not "fake lisas as in fantasies and such"), and try to remember if there were times where you were angry at her for her behaviour, without blaming it on the writers or trying to justify her.

Here, i'll give my examples:

1) In Lisa the Vegetarian, when she gets the little tractor and brings away the barbecue pig from Homer's party. I don't care if vegetarianism is the way, but Lisa there acted just WAY too selfishly, she deliberatedly ruin her father's party because of her beliefs. Yes i know, in the end she saw her ways, but still this doesn't excuse her from her very bad action, that was really unexpected from her.

2) In Lisa the Skeptic, when she replies to Marge, in a very annoying way "no mom, *i* feel sorry for *you*". Here we see again the annoying holier than thou Lisa; i usually don't care, because she is like that to people that, frankly, deserve it. But not her mom! Marge really didn't deserve to be treated like that, and i admire her for not slapping Lisa in that occasion... Marge is probably the onl person of the family that understands Lisa and really appreciates her for what she is, and Lisa shouldn't have disrespected her in that way, no matter her beliefs. Again, i nthe end of the episode, they made up but still this doesnt took away the fact that Lisa behaved very badly.

3) Well, this one is really little but...
LISA: ... just get me the friggin' toy.
I forgot what episode that's from.

So, anymore?

Well duh, Gazmanafc. Thanks for the explanation, i'm sure we all here thought Lisa was actually real and living.
[sarcasm detector explodes]
The thread is, i think, crystal clear. You just need to abstract yourself a bit, like roleplaying. It's nothing exceptional really... but i'll try to make it even clearer: just think if the actions depicted in the show were done by a real little girl like Lisa, would them anger you?

If you can't do it and can't think of Lisa being but a bunch of lines in a script, then this thread isn't just cut for you.

What?

Are you serious? Than what is *your* point being here anyway? Of cause Lisa is more for us than just a coloured bunch of pixel and a line in a script. For us she is more real... she is real in our heart and our mind... She is an attetude for life... she is a idol... and that has nothing to do with our sense of reality.
And yes, you can be angry with Lisa! It´s the same as you can be happy about her or feel sorry for her. Same as you can feel bad or good about a character in a book or in a movie. That is what reading, watching and being fan of some "imaginary" person is about...