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« on: July 19, 2007, 06:21 » |
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One thing always surprised me at "The Simpsons" - we see parents, little kids, old maids and bachelors, but almost no teenagers and young adults (only Squeeky voiced teen and nerdy Homer's college-mates). All women, who have kids, sitting at home completely bored, most of other people have boring work only for making money. But all these compensated in Futurama, where all characters except Zoidberg are quite succesful and have an interesting life. Especially Bender, who enjoys his life every day and acting as he care only about his shiny metall ass. So, these shows supposed to have different audiences, with young people most interested in Futurama, due to this show is more modern and reflecting life of young free people. Most members of our humble forum closer by age to Futurama characters, that to Simpsons, but still adoring them more. So, what's the matter? Is this choice of Simpsons due to only their well-developed simpsonic universe with a large system of secondary characters, or these yellow people of different ages just can show us more and teach us more and be better role models, despite Futurama characters more actual in real life?
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 10:24 » |
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brakusaetsyaMy two cents - it's just hard to picture a teenager's life so another teenager would see and like it, that's why there are no teenagers in the Simpsons. Same story with Futurama, most of the characters don't have ages at all (how old is Bender? Several thousand years iirc) Leela is more a mature woman than a teenager, and other characters except Fry cannot be called teens as well. On another hand, that Simpsons episode with university nerds was great, I'd say it was one of the funniest episodes ("HOMER: Hey, that's not a wallet inspector at all..."  ). So probably both Simpsons and Futurama are missing something, ignoring certain ages in their characters.
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2007, 01:32 » |
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Well, there are some teens. The girl that Bart fell in love with who lived next door must have been. I also recall (though I havent seen it) a recent episode about a 16 year old girl(?), once again who Bart falls in love with. Oh... and Gina (see here), must have been older than Bart when he falls in love with her. Looks older anyway. Bart must have a 'thing' for older girls. Dagdamorhow old is Bender? Several thousand years iirc I somehow remember him being only 3 years old, but could be mistaken. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 01:54 » |
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Trivia: Bender's Head is 4, his body is 1000-odd years old More Trivia: Bart fell in love with Darsey (Little Big Girl) who was 15, (DARSEY'S DAD: He took advantage of a girl who was 5 years older than him!) Bart also almost married Darsey because she was pregnant.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2007, 19:35 » |
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You right, guys, I forgot so many persons  Also Jesse Grass, ranch dude, other girls and boys in North Haverbrook with Darcy and maybe someone else I can't remember. But I was talking about that in Simpsons family-life is centered (although we can see well described power plant and jobs of many citizens), and most characters reflecting 3 generations - grandparents, parents and kids. And main characters - the Simpsons, are pretty old-fashioned; when in Futurama all happens at work, we don't see much of generations relations, and characters are cooler. I mean, if choosing between Bender and Homer as role model, most of young people prefer to be selfish shiny robot, than fat low-payed guy with 3 kids. Futurama main characters, I suppose, look more like a real people nowadays, when Simpsons, of course, have so realistic strains, but still, their lifestyles differs from reality of young spectators. Does it mean, that we like well-developed old-fashioned world more than one, where life is so usual...
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 11:34 » |
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I don't think that the fact that there are no teenagers in the Simpsons Family is something intended. It's just a coincidence, Groening had to choose something when he was creating his characters, and he decided to stay on usual "parents-kids" version. In other cartoons, different versions are possible. I don't think the absence of teens amongst primary characters in the Simpsons is a loss, and that's why: you can make a kid act like a teen (we've seen this many times, when Bart, or Lisa acted more mature than they are) - but you can't made a teen act like a kid, it would look stupid. ALMTrivia: Bender's Head is 4, his body is 1000-odd years old Really? I thought it's vice versa.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 14:43 » |
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ALMTrivia: Bender's Head is 4, his body is 1000-odd years old Really? I thought it's vice versa. Its one of the other. I think you might be right. I'm not the Futurama nerd I am with the Simpsons
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2007, 23:04 » |
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brakusaetsya Maybe there is a sense in your words, the Simpsons-world is more familiar and "domestic" to us and maybe because of this very reason we love it so. I can remember clear when in 2005 I was respected Futurama much more than so usual and boring serial. When I started to watch the Simpsons regularly since 11...12 season (somewhat 1999 I think) those series doesn't have so much influence to me. The fire was flamed up after watching "centralizing" the episodes from 1...5 seasons I've purchased in february 2006 during my university vacations. But and Futurama has possessed me quite much as I've mentioned. I can't speak of any obvious reasons why I like Simpsons more than that. Maybe it's only my fear to lose so long-gathered adoration to yellow family after some sessions of watching the "competitors", because I remember how I liked that, especially the episodes with machine "What if?.." (if I not missed with a name)
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2007, 22:41 » |
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Maybe it's only my fear to lose so long-gathered adoration to yellow family after some sessions of watching the "competitors", because I remember how I liked that, especially the episodes with machine "What if?.." Wow, weird explanation, I never imagined things going like this, because I myself discovered Simpsons about 4 years before Futurama and Fry's sad face and sentimental endings bored me to death instantly. So, Futurama can't take Simpsons' place in my life as "Cartoon I can watch everyday", although it has some great moments and characters too. I've thought before that I treat Futurama like this because I'm too young to understand, but here we have people elder than I, who still like Simpsons much more than Planet Express crew. Maybe, like Dag said, fact, that our favourite yellow kids act like grownups sometimes, and Homer acts like a teen or kid, too, gives them special universality 
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2007, 11:02 » |
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So, I think now it's time for me to write my second post.
Yes, in Simpsons more attention is paid to children and adults. So, there aren’t many teen characters in Cartoon. But is this so surprisingly? We observe in the whole serial the life of a little American town, witch is the second after the most bed town in the world. Do you want to live in such place (I don’t ask, would you like to live in Springfield)? I think no… as well as the most people. So, who lives in Springfield? – People, who can’t leave (or don’t want to change their life) and their little children, because they can’t live alone.
Second reason: The main characters are two parents and two children about 8-10 years old. (I don’t think that Maggie is a main character). It can be very hard - to connect these age categories with teenage category. – The Simpsons’ family can go on the second plan. Do you want this? Without teenager life, we can see two subject lines. First is a line of live “adult town” and a second – children at school. And these lines are connected together in family of Simpsons. So, we can see life of a typical family and life of the whole town. (The life of a town is the life of FAMILIES, living in it). Teenagers are something an average, and their life is absolutely other history.
In the “Futurama” authors didn’t put the purpose to show a typical life. And in this cartoon every character is an individual. In this position it more easily to show large of universal. =) But there aren’t identical people – there aren’t standard society.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2007, 21:34 » |
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mypavelDo you want to live in such place (I don’t ask, would you like to live in Springfield)? I think no… as well as the most people. So, who lives in Springfield? – People, who can’t leave (or don’t want to change their life) and their little children, because they can’t live alone. Heh, actually I myself like small quiet towns, I suppose I'm staying in Moscow only because I have to study here  . But agreed, it seems that there is kind of selection in Springfield - all people who have ambitions and enough self-reliance are going to Capital City or bigger towns. Marge's friend Chloe, Ned's sister, Brockman's sister, Luann Van Houten once... And many young people are studying somewhere (actually, in Futurama the same, people go into Mars University for some interval, but due to NNY is a big town, we can see bright individualities there). Argumentation accepted  As for second reason... Well, as it was said before, both adults and kids there can act like teens, and some teen charactes appear sometimes, so some sides of teens' life are probably partially depicted. But of course, with parents and kids of such age we can see many beautiful moment, which could not be possible with teens. Incredible family holidays and vacations, for example  I'm not insisting teens are so important in cartoon.
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