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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2007, 09:31 »

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Back on topic - it'll be very interesting for me to see future relationship between Lisa and Ling Bouvier, who was adopted by Lisa's advice. Marge tries to keep her relations with sisters rather strong, so I suppose, she would help Selma with girl's raising and Simpson kids also would spend time with Ling. Of course, Maggie could be a better friend for her, they are in the same age and in one episode they played together and slept near each other. But in general it'll be great to see, how all Springfildians and especially Lisa would treat an adopted girl, when she'll grow up a little.
Yes, this would be an interesting development to see. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the show, they probably will hardly ever deal with it, unless they continue to make a future episode every now and then. It would also be interesting to see Ling's future personality in such an episode. Being raised by someone like Selma would make for a rather... different character development Wink And also, whether or not she takes after her mischevious cousins (Bart and Maggie) or if she develops the maturity and intelligence of Lisa. I don't know whether or not the Springfieldians would treat her any different, being adopted, but you never know, with people like Moe. Tongue

As for the bowties... *scratches head* Perhaps just a random bit of humor thrown in to keep the mood light? I know it sounds silly, but a lot of the time writers have to do this to keep their audience entertained and enjoying the show. Take Shakespeare, for example; when he wrote "Romeo and Juliet", the play was a terrible tragedy. But he punctuated sad moments (i.e. Juliet's "death" and her discovery in her bedroom by her family) with witty parts, such as the musicians arguing with the servant boy.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2007, 12:43 »

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Being raised by someone like Selma would make for a rather... different character development
Yep Smile It was so weird to hear Ling's laughter, just like Selma's, when they were coming back from China, and day after day she will take more from her new mother. But, when she was shown later, 2 or 3 times, she looked rather smart for such a young girl and, inlike Maggie, she looks very calm and patient, more similar mentally to little Lisa. But who knows, how Selma can change her.
I can't remember, if there are any people who were adopted kids in Springfield, that's why it's so interesting. We saw orphanarium and also Frank Grimes was an orphan, but no kids were adopted. Some people in Springfield can be very cruel to persons, who are different from others or have some problems. Especially kids: remember, how Nelson in one THOH teased Bart: "Your father is dead, and mine is just sitting in jail". Ewww.... Maybe Lisa as a grownup could protect Ling and convince her, that she is a happy kid, even if she don't know her biological parents, if little girl would be sad about it.

As for bowties - they're definitely fit simpsonic mood, nice touch, I can't say nothing agaist this, well-done for Treehouse of Horror - even lonely Homer looks so nice and making funny faces in that "sad" poem. But somehow I didn't remember those bowties till I saw that screenshot Marco posted Eek I doubt that scene was redone, maybe these details just too small to remember... :\
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2007, 13:52 »

Hmm, I just checked an older TV recording of that episode, and there are lots of bowties in Marge's hair - so you probably just forgot they were there.
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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2007, 06:22 »

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Yeah, I also very doubt that they have added it afterwards. Just my bad memory, then.

About the subject: I don't believe Selma (or Patty) is able to raise a good child. Rememeber how they treated Marge in their childhood - like a slave, she was doing all nasty work while her older sisters were resting. Confused That's another shocking thing I believe in: bad childhood often causes good parentage (Marge) and vice versa (Homer, or Selma). There are exceptions of course, it's not a strict rule... but Selma should give her adopted child to Marge as soon as possible. Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2007, 14:09 »

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Well, Selma acts like a caring tender mommy with Ling now, this baby means a lot for her, Ling is her only treasure, who supposed to be her consolation in her old age, so I don't think Selma will force daughter to make nasty work. But on the other hand probably Selma would be a bit like Agnes in future, so Ling wouldn't have much freedom, or, if she has some rebel strains, she will be free, but without good relations with Selma.
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2007, 14:13 »

One of Simpsons family members, which always surprised me - is Grampa Simpson. And most of all - Simpsons girls relations with him. Marge and Lisa are so kind and caring, and Marge treat her sisters nicely, no matter how awful they are, but when Abe comes - often even Marge and Lisa don't pay attention to him and even refusing to accept him on holidays Eek
Yes, sometimes he is so annoying, but girls are always so responsible, couldn't they treat him more nicely if not during whole year, but at least on all holidays and family celebrations and convince Homer to be more friendly too? Confused
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2007, 16:36 »

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It's probably because he's old... and one of the stereotypical displays of an old person. He's cranky, whines a lot, and senile. Because of this, people usually don't care what he feels, and make fun of him a lot, and Grampa even states in the episode "Mother Simpson" that he's "a living joke". Some episodes revolve around him and actually give him some kind of a personality, but other than that I think the writers just use him as a cheap joke every now and then.
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2007, 17:23 »

One of Simpsons family members, which always surprised me - is Grampa Simpson. And most of all - Simpsons girls relations with him. Marge and Lisa are so kind and caring, and Marge treat her sisters nicely, no matter how awful they are, but when Abe comes - often even Marge and Lisa don't pay attention to him and even refusing to accept him on holidays Eek
Yes, sometimes he is so annoying, but girls are always so responsible, couldn't they treat him more nicely if not during whole year, but at least on all holidays and family celebrations and convince Homer to be more friendly too? Confused

I think there are several scenes when Lisa shows more love for Grandpa Simpson than anyone else does. Remember in Million Dollar Abie she and grandpa were put in a similar situation to Homer and her at the bbq incident, when she became a vegetarian. There was not as much focus on the relationship between Lisa and grandpa though, but the affection (both from Lisa and Abe) is apparent when Lisa tries to explain to him that bullfighting is wrong:

Lisa: Why would you want to use it to hurt poor, helpless animals?
Abe: Listen, I'm 83 years old, and for the first time in my life people are cheering for me.
Lisa: I was always cheering for you, grandpa… till now.
Abe: How does she always know how to get to me?

Also, remember when Bart had to work at the retirement home. I don’t recall now how he got there, but when he saw Lisa there he asked something like: They made you work here too? Lisa answers that she has been working there voluntarily for some time. So there’s definitely more chance for Lisa and Abe to develop a close granddaughter/grandpa relationship and this also shows Lisa’s compassion and patience with old people including Abe. I wish the Million Dollar Abie episode focused more on their relationship, because I can see great potential in this subject.  Smile
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2007, 08:41 »

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Lisa answers that she has been working there voluntarily for some time. So there’s definitely more chance for Lisa and Abe to develop a close granddaughter/grandpa relationship and this also shows Lisa’s compassion and patience with old people including Abe
I rewatched this episode few days ago, that's why I began to think about this again. It proves, that she can be patient with old people and inderstand what they need. But does it mean, that she thinks that living with other old people is better for Abe, than living with his family? Retirement house is different from episode to episode - sometimes it's rather good, but in some eps they showed, that medical care is very poor there, and nurses are unpolite. And all that old people miss their kids and grandchildren all the time. Bart and Homer aren't a good company, but it seems that Lisa just accept that situation as natural, that Abe lives not with them; even when she heard that he gave all his money to buy house for son, she still laughed at him, and I suppose it's a bit strange for such a kind girl.
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2007, 18:50 »

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It's true, a lot of the time things change on the show, depending on what the writers do to make the episode fit. Certain things that seem one way in an episode will be different in another. Take Principal Skinner, for example. In the 7th season episode "Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grand--" ya-da-ya-da-ya-da, who cares what the episode is called. When Grampa tells the story of being in the Flying Hellfish, he mentions one of his companions is "Sheldon Skinner". Sheldon looks and sounds exactly like Principal Skinner. However, we find out who the real Seymour Skinner is in the ninth season episode "The Principal and the Pauper". But that can't be right then; Sheldon Skinner wouldn't have looked or sounded anything like Arman Tamzarian, he would've looked or sounded (remotely, anyway) like the real Seymour Skinner.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make here is that sometimes the writers goof, or contradict themselves in writing episodes. Sometimes they'll make Lisa do one thing in an episode because it fits (i.e. having her laugh at the fact that Grampa gave all his money to buy Homer a house), and then in other episodes, have her be her normal idealistic self. In moments like the former, all we can do is roll our eyes and let it slide, imo. We all know what Lisa's convictions are, and we know that she wouldn't treat people the way that Homer and Bart do.
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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2007, 22:19 »

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I know, I know that "plot fitting thing", but I suppose that's what bothers me. I'm not trying to blame her for this laugh, but she never, as I remember, blamed Homer for such behaviour with his dad, so it seems that she hasn't convictions at all about this Confused
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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2007, 20:40 »

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it seems that Lisa just accept that situation as natural, that Abe lives not with them; even when she heard that he gave all his money to buy house for son, she still laughed at him, and I suppose it's a bit strange for such a kind girl.
She wasn't the only one who was laughing that moment - the whole family was. And if Lisa shows indifference to her Grampa sometimes, it's more an exception than a rule. Usually, Lisa is very friendly with people who doesn't hurt her or her beliefs, and Abe never did anything bad to Lisa. I think Lisa just accepts the fact that Abe lives in the retirement castle as some kind of axiom, that's why she's not against that. When Abe and Lisa meet in the show, they act like good friends, like people who understand each other, despite the huge age gap. I can't help myself but link the same screenshot once again - link Smile
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