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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2007, 08:02 » |
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LisaSimpsonLoverSumming up all what you've said, I personally don't see much to worry about. Your attitude towards Lisa is definitely an obsession, just in another form. And if you really love her, not just "want" her, but love her for her character, for her intellect, for her beliefs and principles... I can't claim this anything bad. About feeling an attraction towards Lisa in her eight year old form. Well, this is questionable of course, but I can understand what you mean. Just treat her nicely in your fantasies please, I can't ask for more  if Lisa was real, my reaction would be different. But in our case, you can't hurt her physically, and that changes things. About you asking others about feeling the same as you do - don't expect much. You acted not really fair, admitting your feelings under an anonymous account, so you can't expect others to do the same thing openly. Besides, I doubt that significant part of LTS membership is "tainted".
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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2007, 11:41 » |
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Well, I still maintain that this was covered in the other thread so it's a shame to be dragging it all up again. Unfortunately many people who do not understand it, choose to mock those who feel it, because to them, this person has basically fallen in love with an EIGHT YEAR OLD, FICTIONAL girl. Look, I am not trying to mock anyone, I am being very serious on this. To me the idea of someone thinking about eight year old Lisa in a sexual way is extremely distasteful. As I said before, so long as it is confined to a fictional character ONLY, I can deal with it, but I'm not going to pretend that it doesn't bother me.
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« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2007, 12:06 » |
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It seems that all threads with many replies are about sexual attraction to Lisa or ambitions of webmasters  How Freudly LisaSimpsonLoverAs other members already said, it's normal to feel sexual attraction to someone you love, and you could do nothing wrong for Lisa. But still, I must say, that I partially support janglewolf here. First of all, no matter, how intellectual she is, she is still a child, not psycologically & physiologically ready for anything more that hand-holding and cheek-kissing. She is fictional, so it doesn't really matter, but maybe you should think more about why you want her so. What's you missing in your real life? I'm not trying to tell you're a freak, but Lisa isn't real, and even if she was, having sex is the last thing she would thinking about. I mean, that's a bit masochistically - really want someone but not to be able realize your fantasies. If you feel normal about it - go on with your fantasies, but be careful for not hurting mentally yourself and your real girlfriends. I can't totally understand all this, because there are no attractive male characters in Simpsons and one that I like I like maternally, not as equal partner  And also must say, Marge with flowing hair is much more sexy than all others female characters. And I hate, when people draw awful pics with some of Simpson kids, because for me Lisa is an innocent flower for which all adult things lie in future. And if you have fantasies with her there still is a bit of exploitation, unless not physically, because if she was real, i doubt that she could share all this, so you're choosing to want someone who never would be able to answer you. So, for sum it up - if you could just imagine her lovingly, without hurting yourself and real people around you and not feel bad about one-way-feelings without response, if you're psycologically stable - why not? But if I was guy with such wishes, I can definitely say, that one day I would gone totally lonely and mad without possibilities to live normal real life 
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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2007, 16:12 » |
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I'm basically going to say what others said. As long as you're not going so far as looking at Lisa pornography [God foirbid that there would be any], simply loving her for who she is is quite normal. Now, considering the fact that she is fictional, I do not think it is classify one as a pedo, if you are keeping it in the context of fictional characters. If it goes outside those bounds, then that's the point when you should definitely start to worry.
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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2007, 16:47 » |
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janglewolfNo, I think you misunderstand me; I wasn't targeting you or any others who don't feel this way, it's a specific group of people. They like to make fun of people who are in love with Lisa, they're complete assholes about the whole thing. You are not, therefore you do not fit under the "insensitive" category. Okay? I am not mad at anyone who doesn't understand this feeling. Hell, why should I be? I'm no longer a LisaLover. I will say this though: Sexual attraction to Lisa was a very small part of my obsession, at least. But it's there, because as LSL has mentioned, it's like the feelings you have for a girlfriend. If this still bothers you, well there's nothing I can say. I understand your point of view, and now that I've experienced it (even if it ended in heartbreak) I will say that a relationship with another person is something not to be missed (see This Never Happened Before lyrics), although I can't say that loving Lisa is a horrible fate. I'm going to end on this note; it's not pedophilia if you feel it only for Lisa, and if it is because you love her, not because she's a minor. brakusaetsyaHow Freudly  I was thinking much the same thing, all this talk about child sexuality.
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« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2007, 17:39 » |
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My attraction to Lisa developed because of her intellect and personality. Lisa is more like an adult than a child. So even though I find her physical appeal equal at any age, I don't feel guilty about including her "8 year old version" in that equation because, even then, she's no 8 year old intellectually. Ok, you're talking about a fictional character here, but I still find this language to be disturbing. I am NOT calling you a pedophile or a sexual abuser, but this is the kind of mentality that people who abuse children and young teens have. He's only 9 but he's so mature, she has the body of a 12 year old but the mind of a woman, etc. If anything, please be aware that you are thinking like that. If it bothers you, maybe you should talk to someone. Unfortunately, I know a lot of people who have been sexually abused, and growing up in NYC, I have had all kinds of unpleasantness with strange men about town, since I was 10. I don't know what it's like to walk in your shoes, or be in your mind, but you need to know how dangerous that type of thinking is. I'm sorry if this upsets anyone on the board, my intention was not to start trouble. This comment genuinely disturbed me, and when it comes to something of this nature, I don't feel like keeping silent is the right thing for me to do.
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« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2007, 18:51 » |
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I find myself in the situation where i can understand perfectly well both sides of the topic and find myself unable to argumentate for a side or other  So i diligently call myself out of the equation. But i want to give just a little inspiring thought to steer the topic back in a more thematic road: We live in a world of fears. You can't turn in a street without fearing something. Fear of the weather, of terrorists, of pedophiles, of crazy people with guns, fear of animals, even fears of door by door sellers. I don't think this topic should expand to a wide ranged discussion about one of these fears i listed above. It's far too much of a boiling pot of all kinds of argumentations and there would be just too much to thow in it, while here we're talking about a little peculiar aspect of a very narrow part of a cartoon show. Both the attracted AND the repulsed must keep always good in mind of who or better, what you're talking about here. Just for the sake of discussion 
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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2007, 22:53 » |
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It's been interesting seeing the diverse reactions to this. I expected more harsh, and fewer tolerant (and outright sympathetic) reactions than there have been. This includes the tolerant/sympathetic ones that were later mysteriously deleted.  I'm left wondering what would happen if LTS allowed non-erotic nudity..............................or even the sexy but still tasteful kind featuring adult Lisa. Anyway, there's one last thing I want to comment on, and it concerns the subject this thread has drifted to: I am NOT calling you a pedophile or a sexual abuser, but this is the kind of mentality that people who abuse children and young teens have. [...] you need to know how dangerous that type of thinking is. [...] This comment genuinely disturbed me, and when it comes to something of this nature, I don't feel like keeping silent is the right thing for me to do.I understand what you mean. It's true, many real-life predators do abuse this line of thinking to excuse their actions, claiming exactly what you've said: "she had the mind of a 25 year old." But I'd like to emphasize one thing. The social norms surrounding relationships between adults and minors don't exist because of physical body attributes or birth dates. They exist because most young people lack the intellectual maturity to comprehend the full parameters and consequenses of sexual relationships, and the ability to understand when wiser, more sophisticated adults are persueding them to think they do for their benefit. In other words, the age of consent concept, which is the basis of society's objections to adult-minor relationships, exists precisely because of the intellectual maturity factor you're suggesting black and white age makes moot. Of course, there are few, if any, eight year olds where "she had the mind of a 25 year old" even begins to make sense. But if there could be any exception to this at all, a character like Lisa would be it. Unless we've completely lost sight of what Lisa is, we're talking about an imaginary character whose intellect and personality, to avoid any beating around the bush, reflects those of 20 to 50 year old television writers and producers. Yes, she's cast and drawn as an eight year old, but those who develop romantic feelings for her aren't developing feelings for her as a child. They are falling in love with the composite mind and personality of real, authentic, very mature, fully grown adults. And while her "scripts" sometimes call for Lisa to do childish and silly things, her overall nature -- that of the men and women behind the curtains pulling the strings -- is what counts to people who develop these feelings. That is why most people with romantic feelings for Lisa say they feel the way they do about her regardless of the ages she's depicted at. Her intended fictional age at any moment means very little to them compared to what she is, substantively. So I hope everyone can understand why I don't consider these points valid as far as Lisa goes. They overlook the crux of why society condemns adult-minor relationships (mental maturity), and from there, why Lisa is the biggest possible exception to that reasoning of them all.
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« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2007, 23:16 » |
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I'm left wondering what would happen if LTS allowed non-erotic nudity..............................or even the sexy but still tasteful kind featuring adult Lisa.
Just what the fuck are you trying to do here? It's bad enough that all this has been dragged up yet again without you now asking questions like that - just how far are you trying to push this? I have always looked at this board as a place that was established with the best of intentions, are you now suggesting that it is turned into some sort of cheap and nasty porn site? Not only that, it is dedicated to a character who symbolises the nobler aspects of human nature and you have to degrade it with suggestions like that. Is there not enough sick shit on the net already? The social norms surrounding relationships between adults and minors don't exist because of physical body attributes or birth dates. Are you fucking well joking? You had better bloody well believe there ARE physiological reasons. This is starting to sound dangerously like an attempted justification for paedophilia, fictional character or otherwise. And Lisa sure as hell IS portrayed as a child - just check out the "Childishness of Lisa" thread. Whoever you are, get help - seriously, this has gone too far. EDIT: Perhaps the admin would like to check this persons IP to ensure this isn't Dantheman or someone similar trying to stir the shit?
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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2007, 23:31 » |
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janglewolf Please calm down. From what I've seen so far, LSL is clearly NOT a "cheap and nasty" porn addict. Although I don't agree with some of his comments and agree with you in the sense that this can go dangerous places, it gives you NO reason to blast him like this. I remember when I had an attraction to Lisa, and I'll say it again; this attraction was all encompassing, so I was physically attracted to her. But you need to see the larger picture; these people who feel like this, be it LSL or anyone else, are not attracted to eight year olds on the grand scale. They've simply fallen in love with the mind of this character Lisa. And as long as it doesn't go anywhere, this is perfectly all right. As I've said, you're overreacting and I urge you to reconsider what you've said... having been to a place like this before, I know just what kind of reaction your comments may instill. I don't think this is a justification of pedophilia; from his postings, LSL clearly has a head on his shoulders (although this was an odd thing to post). Please do yourself a favour, and don't sink to the level that I've seen other people sink to.
Now, about allowing "non-erotic nudity on LTS" - no. Just, no. This site is not for people to look at Lisa's figure, you do that on your own time, however if you do, I'm very disappointed. I never did this I'm proud to say, even if I was physically attracted to her. Looking for Lisa porn on the internet just goes too far, and as previous posters have said, it ruins the beauty of her character. Even nude pictures of her, just... no.
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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2007, 23:35 » |
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I am not the guy to speak of this….(am ashamed) please!!!… we did not need a flamewar in LTS….
to me… (and perhaps to you too. this site is to type of “home” and to sweet forum)…
please lisasimpsonlover!… stop of talk about this theme.!!! please... by this forum!!! sadly i understand your feelings to lisa... i love lisa in the body and spirit .. but too undertand the fellings of the others members....
"respect"….
and please understand the other members of this forum too... is necesary... and too is necesary unerstand with the love by the impossible dream (in this case Lisa) is possible... (and NOT pedo feelings)....
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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2007, 00:02 » |
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Sorry, people. At worst, I anticipated silence or a few derisive remarks to my half-hearted suggestion. Nowhere near this much furiously negative emotion.
I'll just drop the entire subject. I don't want to see this wonderful forum bruised by a flamewar, either.
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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2007, 00:26 » |
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LisaSimpsonLoverIf I understood you right, you're trying to say that if real kids were smarter in their young ages, having "adult" relations with them would be something alright. :/ No. I completely disagree about that, the main reason for the fact that what you're talking about is a crime in most countries, is the physiological aspect, not intellectual one. Please try to understand this, no matter how smart and special Lisa is, having sex with her would hurt her badly physically if she was real in this world, in the worst case - it would cripple her for life. That's the main reason, not a thought like "she probably wouldn't understand what she's doing". Sorry for the brutal language here, I want to make my point clear... having erotic fantasies with Lisa is something alright to me, because those are just fantasies and you can't hurt Lisa for real. Trying to extend your dreams to the real world is something wrong. janglewolfPerhaps the admin would like to check this persons IP to ensure this isn't Dantheman or someone similar trying to stir the shit? "Someone similar"? o_O Er no, luckily, this place had only one Dantheman so far, no people similar to him...  No, this can't be Dan (at least because his IP is still banned), and judging on his IP, this isn't any of the existing members. And so far, I don't see any "shit" here. A member is trying to explain his point - it can be a very wrong point, but I must admit that he explains it calmly, reasoning it, and without using swearwords - what I expect from the forum members in the first place. I believe that any subject, even the most nasty one, can be discussed and passed away calmly, without accusing each other. And if this topic disturbs you, the best choice would be to ignore it, without new replies it will fall into oblivion. Why not close it now? Because there is still a chance to understand each other and make the situation clear (and maybe even to help each other). Several replies above Aoife said: "If it bothers you, maybe you should talk to someone." Apparently that's what LSL is trying to do.
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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2007, 04:12 » |
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Sorry, people. At worst, I anticipated silence or a few derisive remarks to my half-hearted suggestion. Nowhere near this much furiously negative emotion.
I'll just drop the entire subject. I don't want to see this wonderful forum bruised by a flamewar, either.
See Janglewolf, despite who LSL may be, or that I disagree with some things he's said, he's had the dignity to remain calm and even meek in the face of your furious outburst. Next time think before you type; it's a lesson that we all must learn. And like Serge said, if this topic bothers you, why post? Posting a flame like that is not going to help the person at all. And it's not something you want to hear from someone when you're in a situation like that. Lord knows, eventually the person will begin to think "I must be some kind of freak", or "I'm such a sick bastard, I'm so ashamed of myself", even though they aren't. And if you're having erotic fantasies about Lisa okay, well, at least you're not hurting anyone. And so far from what I've seen, LSL doesn't take this to real life.
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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2007, 20:07 » |
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The reason I have posted in this thread is precisely because it bothers me and I am not prepared to ignore it and pretend that everything is OK. I would have been happy to see it die, right up until "LSL" decided to drop the hint that he wanted to see what at best would be described as fanservice on this board and then compounded it with certain very disturbing statements in the rest of that post. To ignore it felt far too much like condoning something that shocked and saddened me. Now fair enough, I apologise for the swearing - I was out of line, though it was a reasonably accurate reflection of the way I was feeling when I posted it. To be honest, I am still feeling far from calm over this. I can not however, apologise for the sentiments expressed. I am glad that LSL has dropped the fanservice matter and as I have said before, I can just about cope with people having an erotic attraction to Lisa as a fictional character. However, parts of LSL's post seemed to be dangerously generalised and I find this deeply concerning. If that is the case, I would suggest that "talking to someone" should mean talking to someone who is suitably qualified to offer help, rather than this forum.
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