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« on: May 11, 2007, 02:46 »
Oy Gevalt, I am having a mental breakdown right now. Luckily after some crafty thinking and a few broken FCC and copyright rules later I again have my XP system running again, (At least until my disks for my recovery system come in the mail.) I am wondering if this thing is even worth the trouble. Can anyone tell me if they use Vista yet and how it is doing performance wise? I really dont want to put it on my system yet, but I will if it will make things go smoother for a while. any thoughts or comments would be appreciated. And due to the crash of epic proportions I will not be active on much for a few days.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2007, 02:49 »
Sorry to hear that... I never trusted XP too much. Using Win98 at home.
About Windows Vista? I never tried it, but heard so many negative responses already. Judging on them, I wouldn't recommend using it if you value your nerves.
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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2007, 03:21 »
Vista isn't too bad, on my new laptop which I bought a week ago for 400 quid isn't bad. It takes some getting used to as it asks if you trust the source of an exe or if you want to make a change to the Program files folder. Vista performs very fast, but it does crash on occasion, but not as much as XP does, but I am on 1Gig RAM rather than 256Meg.

It definatly does look nicer than XP though.
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2007, 09:05 »
I hope you're using XP Professional SP2, right?
Cause honestyl, and in my  almost 20 year-long experience with puters, XP PRO SP2 is the most fast and reliable SO i ever laid my hands on.
Of course it doesn't come like this right out of the box. As everything Microsoft, as soon as it gets installed it's bloated and full of useless and potentially dangerous crap: It takes some time to trim, optimize and customize.

Right now i have two OS installed, both XP PRO corporate SP2 (with WGA crack included), one 32 bit and one 64 bit. The 32 bit works better cause it's more compatible and it's a rocket: i even installed the CrystalClear Bricopack for it, it looks pretty awesome too, without being as heavy as Vista.

I even installed a "lite" (i made it using Nlite, it weights just 130MB before installation and it uses only 56MB of Ram upon startup)version of XP on my old P2 300Mhz laptop (with 192 megs of ram!): It takes two minutes to boot up, but i can leave it on for days with emule running and i have no problems. i can even stram video from it using VLC.

Here, take a look at this: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SupportCD/OptimizeXP.html

as for the nice BricoPacks: you just have to install them http://www.crystalxp.net/bricopack/

and about the BSODS: Make sure they're not caused by faulty hardware or conflicting drivers before putting the blame on xp. Smile If you need help i'll be glad to assist.

BTW: I'd leave alone Vista for at least a year. There's an "incubation" period for every OS. XP started to be a good OS only after a couple of years of it on the market.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2007, 11:24 »
XP and Vista are both bad, but XP is definately better than Vista. In the one whole day I've been running Vista, I've noticed these things about Vista Business Edition 32 bits:

  • Crashed during first startup.
  • Couldn't install my Wacom and Creative Audigy. There are also plenty of other things that can't be installed in Vista, like printers and scanner, because there are no drivers and most companies aren't going to make drivers either.
  • Got a major drop in 3D-performance (somewhere around 40~60% compared to XP).
  • Aero glass gave artifacts, but my videocard is fine, so it was caused by crappy drivers. Vista has been released in November 2006. Why there still aren't any decent drivers is a mistery
  • It felt extremely slow on my PC, even though my PC isn't slow at all.
  • Windows Vista has a horrible indexing service that makes your harddisk rattle for the first couple of days after you've installed it. This also gives the OS a sluggish responsiveness.
  • It uses a massive 400MB of memory after start-up. And that is without the prefetching!
  • It's so called "security system" called UAC (User Account Control) keeps whining every time you try to open executables like .EXE's or .MSI's.
  • I can still make Vista crash on command using the networktools. That bug has been around since Windows 2000 and it still hasn't been fixed.
  • For some reason, the CPU usage also never got lower than 5% in Vista when I was doing nothing. In Windows XP it's 0% when I do nothing.
  • Vista's "new effects" need a DirectX9.0c videocard, even though the graphics look like they could've been rendered by pretty much every videocard with more than 8 MB of memory.
  • Vista couldn't detect my USB hard drive. I've also read plenty of things from people who "lost" their USB ports in Vista, because Vista simply forgets they exist.
  • And IE7 and Aero Glass look so damn ugly. Tongue

I'm currently running Windows 2003 Server on my PC and it's fast, doesn't use much memory and it looks way better than Vista. It needs some adjusting before it's properly usable, but once that's done it's a very fast OS.
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2007, 13:02 »
  • Crashed during first startup.
Not for me it didnt.

  • Couldn't install my Wacom and Creative Audigy. There are also plenty of other things that can't be installed in Vista, like printers and scanner, because there are no drivers and most companies aren't going to make drivers either.
Probably because they've released something new and want you to update. But all the software and hardware I installed was fine.

  • Got a major drop in 3D-performance (somewhere around 40~60% compared to XP).
* ALM Doesnt see much difference.

  • It felt extremely slow on my PC, even though my PC isn't slow at all.
How much RAM does your PC have, my laptop has 1Gig and is just as fast, if not faster, with Vista than my old one with 256MB with XP.

  • It's so called "security system" called UAC (User Account Control) keeps whining every time you try to open executables like .EXE's or .MSI's.
You can disable that you know. (Control Panel > User Accounts > Turn User Account Control on and off > Use UAC to help protect your computer [uncheck] > OK > Restart Machine)

  • For some reason, the CPU usage also never got lower than 5% in Vista when I was doing nothing. In Windows XP it's 0% when I do nothing.
But I havent seen a change in performance, but 5% isnt really much anyway.

  • Vista couldn't detect my USB hard drive. I've also read plenty of things from people who "lost" their USB ports in Vista, because Vista simply forgets they exist.
Two Vista computers detected my memory stick fine.

  • And IE7 and Aero Glass look so damn ugly. Tongue
IE7 is just as bad as 6, but it never hurts for testing. Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2007, 13:34 »
Probably because they've released something new and want you to update. But all the software and hardware I installed was fine.
My Wacom tablet is 6 months old. Rolls Eyes

* ALM Doesnt see much difference.
Probably because you haven't run 3Dmark or other gaming benchmarks on your laptop while running XP and Vista.

How much RAM does your PC have, my laptop has 1Gig and is just as fast, if not faster, with Vista than my old one with 256MB with XP.
That's because XP needs more RAM than 256 MB to function properly and fast. I have 1 GB of RAM in my PC and Vista is noticable slower than Windows XP and 2k3. There could also be plenty of other reasons why XP could be slower on your old machine than Vista on your laptop. Could you post the specs of both your laptop and your older machine?

You can disable that you know. (Control Panel > User Accounts > Turn User Account Control on and off > Use UAC to help protect your computer [uncheck] > OK > Restart Machine)
Yeah, I've tried that, but it didn't really change anything.  Confused

But I havent seen a change in performance, but 5% isnt really much anyway.
What I meant with that is that Vista apparently runs so much stuff in the background that your CPU can't be completely idle anymore. I think it shouldn't be that way. In my opinion an OS should be light and fast, not bloated like Vista. I know it's possible to turn off a lot of the extra functions in Vista to make it lighter, but it will always need more resources than XP.

Two Vista computers detected my memory stick fine.
My USB memory sticks also worked fine, but both my external harddrives weren't detected by Vista.
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« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2007, 14:12 »
Well, I cant really say anything about my XP laptop anymore because it's been dismantled. Tongue Vista is known to have problems, give it a bit. Tongue It only came out in November, I was intending to downgrade to XP, but I got used to Vista pretty quickly.
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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2007, 16:17 »
I haven't tried Vista so far, but the reports don't encourage me to do so either. "Comparing" a 256 MB XP machine with a 1 GB Vista machine does certainly skew the image - you should have tried running XP on the 1 GB PC indeed. Wink And 5% CPU time when in idle mode might be not much, but this eliminates the possibility of using the energy saving functions of modern CPUs completely. No wonder everyone reports that they don't get the same running time from their notebook batteries with Vista installed... The best OS Microsoft ever produces was Windows 2000, and I'd still use it if some programs didn't require XP and IE 6 by default. I must admit that XP has some nice features, but at least as much annoying stuff that cannot be turned off.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2007, 18:26 »
well thank you all for your input. I am really almost to the point where the problems for all the OS's are not worth the trouble. Mac doesn't have as many, but I still don't have the kind of money to throw down on a Mac system. I know there will be bugs on Vista, there are still quite a few on XP, it happens with each new Os that is released. I am not really looking to do anything amazing on it, short of a bit of gaming and my writing or viewing the internet (I guess that I don't do much with this powerful machine)  Tongue I guess that my main issue is the fact that I now have to wait to get the  Restoration CD's from Sony to reset my Viao to the specs that I want and it bugs me to be using a hacked version of my friend's copy. I do intend to upgrade soon, but still need to be sure of what I am getting myself into.

I really intend on doing a Triple boot set where I can choose between XP, Vista, and Mac (Assuming that I dont come into that nice raise at work within the next few months). That way I can base run the XP program that has the Vaio loding specs that I like and the layout that I prefer, but I can also switch to test how well Mac and Vista work, even though the Mac osx has been severely hacked apart for use on the PC.

Edit: Marco, I re-read your post twice and I still can only understand about 1/4 of it  Tongue
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