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« on: March 16, 2007, 11:39 »

I was watching Hurrricane Neddy on my DVD and I thought that Ned was OOC in that episode, then I watched DPS and I realized that when he was yelling at Homer I saw an echo of resentment in him when he said some thing along the lines of , 'And if you lose you have to mow my lawn, and do a decent job of it for a change!'. That, coupled with his 'jackaninny' line in the same episode lead me to beleive that Ned was just a phycological powder keg just waiting to to explode. Which  it did in 'Neddy'. Another thing that bothered me about HN was all the things that Ned yelled at the townspeople. 'Long flabby arm of the law' (Wiggum)  'Worst human being' (Homer) 'Springfield's answer to the question noone asked' (Lisa)
'Hey, buddy, got a quarter?' (Bart) 'Your family is out of control, but it's OK because you have good intentions!' (Marge)
Did Ned *mean* any of that? Was that the 'real' Flanders we saw breifley in HN?
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2007, 13:43 »

I'm not really sure, it's probably just the anger he's feeling that makes them spill out like that. If you're angry at someone for something, or about something, all their other problems seem bigger than usual.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2007, 23:33 »

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"Was that the 'real' Flanders we saw?"
I think and yes and no. The point is in that, as you saw, Ned's psychology have reserved with some kind of very special therapy so that he was not able express the negative emotions in public. Up to this episode he saved in himself all that bad emotions. And finally the moment has come and he splashed out it on everyone who came across under a hand. I don't say that it is normal but it was in accordance with the laws of nature. It looks logic consequence of that his true essence has been oppressed and wounded long time. (i speak it not only as exterior persone but from point of view of those who have similar problems in past)

So we "had the luck" to see for one instant true person of Flanders, his second "I".

Thouh authors also have mentioned in "Hurricane Neddy" that Flanders has changed and will splash out with ease now negative emotions, but for no obvious reason it's not clearly visible. He, as it seems to me, became even more possessed with his christianity, than earlier. Probably, Maud's death plays its role.
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2007, 00:35 »

Thouh authors also have mentioned in "Hurricane Neddy" that Flanders has changed and will splash out with ease now negative emotions, but for no obvious reason it's not clearly visible. He, as it seems to me, became even more possessed with his christianity, than earlier. Probably, Maud's death plays its role.

I have also found this amusing. In the episode "Hurricane Neddy" it's said that Flanders has become a "normal person" again. However, in the later episodes, he's undergone almost no changes.
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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2007, 02:37 »

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I think Ned didn't really mean anything of that he said in that episode. He was acting in the affect state; it's like a temporal insanity. He has all rights to act crazy in that episode though Big Grin And after he calmed down, everything returned to normal. It wasn't even necessary for him to go to the clinic, everything would be sorted out in his behavior eventually... remember, he was acting like a normal person there, not like crazy. I think it was just an affect state; every person suffers from it sometimes, no matter - mature or not, evil or kind.

Also remember that Flanders is the only Simpsons' neighbor so far. There are others, but they rarely interact with the Simpsons. And some of the nearby houses are often put up for sale Wink
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2007, 12:13 »

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I think Ned didn't really mean anything of that he said in that episode. He was acting in the affect state; it's like a temporal insanity. He has all rights to act crazy in that episode though Big Grin And after he calmed down, everything returned to normal. It wasn't even necessary for him to go to the clinic, everything would be sorted out in his behavior eventually... remember, he was acting like a normal person there, not like crazy. I think it was just an affect state; every person suffers from it sometimes, no matter - mature or not, evil or kind.

Also remember that Flanders is the only Simpsons' neighbor so far. There are others, but they rarely interact with the Simpsons. And some of the nearby houses are often put up for sale Wink

Well, if Ned's outbursts were just spur-of-the-moment rants then they were fairly well articulated and thought out. I think your underselling Ned a little, I think Ned has a dark side to him, as does Lisa but thats another thread Wink and I think his 'real' suppressed persona reared its ugly head in HN.
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2007, 14:41 »

Well, if Ned's outbursts were just spur-of-the-moment rants then they were fairly well articulated and thought out. I think your underselling Ned a little, I think Ned has a dark side to him, as does Lisa but thats another thread Wink and I think his 'real' suppressed persona reared its ugly head in HN.

Everyone has a dark side, a side that we don't show the world. Although these things rarely spill out into public, sometimes they do. Like in Flanders' case, where all the things he noted to be wrong with his fellow Springfielders erupted into a tirade after having an extremely bad day. As for Lisa... well... like I said, everyone has a darker side, as do you and I.
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2007, 14:34 »

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Hello everyone, I'm new here, another L.S. fan... and this is such a cozy place! Smile

Ok, now to answer to your question, dantheman... Yes, I do believe that Flanders meant every word he said, since all of it was (more or less) true, so he wasn't exactly making it up. It's the truth seen from his point of view, of course, and that episode was a rare time (or the only?) when he chooses to face the truth, and express his anger. I dont believe that Neddy goes around being angry and bitter all the time, though. (being religious he has to be forgiving) But even if he is ridicilously  nice, deep down he must be aware of Homer's resentment. But I dont see that as important except for those time when it's brought up, like in HN-episode. If Ned's awareness was meant to be obvious, it would have a much bigger impact on the stories, more often.

Flanders reminds me of Lisa in a way, since they cant fit in because of the way they are (Lisa: intelligent, spiritual) (Flanders: religious). But unlike Lisa, at least Ned feels at home with his family and in church. While with Lisa, it's more like "me against the world"... Also she always says what she means, so there'll never be "Hurricane Lisa", only many smaller storms... Smile This was a very long answer, wasnt it?

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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2007, 14:47 »

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Welcome to LTS! We're glad to have you Smile And long answers are encouraged! Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2007, 15:20 »

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Welcome to LTS! We're glad to have you Smile And long answers are encouraged! Tongue

Thank you George!   Smile Oh by the way, I loooove George Harrison, ... cant quite decide between him and Lennon.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2007, 18:07 »

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Welcome to LTS, I'm very glad to see a member with such a name and posts here! Smile

About your answer - you have very interesting point, maybe you're right about Ned. I didn't think Ned was honest in that scene, it looked to me more like he wanted just blindly offend everyone around him that moment, and nothing more. But you're right, everything he said was more or less close to truth, which makes it a bit worse to me... that means that Ned doesn't really forgive Homer when he does another stupid or offensive thing, he only hides it on the bottom of his mind Confused and the next time the Simpsons will pull Ned out of his usual composure, it might have much more sad consequences imho.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2007, 00:30 »

Why everyone do believe that Flanders is kinda "obliged" to behave well? If he is kind with someone this is his personal decision and i don't give a damn what is guided him in this decision. That's private affair of everyone. But i discouraged a little with a position of those persons who is indignant with that Ned dares to himself to splash out negative emotions. He in fact not obliged to behave well, not obliged to constantly forgive Homer's or anyone else impudence. Everyone is simply have got used to think so and then demand from him to performance of these norms of behaviour by default. When Ned has afforded to himself a deviation everyone have been shocked and indignant. Though they should remember constantly that each person has a dark side of individuality. I'm not for groundless fury and agression but for a free choice of own behaviour. And that Ned have departed the stereotype of a good man though for a short time i can only support.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2007, 18:12 »

Thank you Dagdamor and Yggdrasill for your warm welcome.  Smile

Dagdamor, I don’t believe that Flanders is unhappy or always thinking about all those bad things Homer does to him. He is a forgiving person and always trying to make the best out of it. He wants to be Homer's friend, so he must like him after all, and put all those bad things aside. But like others have pointed out he is human, and we all have a "dark side". Sometimes when a friend or family member mistreats me I may get real mad, and remember all bad things to say, just to hurt them back. But once it's over I never really think about it. lol I'm not saying it's right, but most people are that way, we hate, curse and then forget until the next time...  Tongue

Like Yggdrasill said, it's ok if Ned is allowed to stray from his stereotypical self. Most other characters have. (Remember Homer turning smart?- or Marge trying different careers) I think it only makes them more human and spices up the show. So don’t you worry about Neddy, he’s just fine. After all, he has Jesus on his side, and the coolest Beatle boots.  Smile And now when he's a widower he gets to meet all kinds of exciting women. Remember, Homer isn’t the most important person in Ned's life.
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