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« Reply #45 on: July 31, 2007, 22:18 » |
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KasperI know the feeling you describe all too well. Although I don't necessarily "love" Lisa anymore, I still respect her morals and convictions, and yes I understand not being able to really talk about this with anyone else. This forum is a great refuge for those who feel like this. Glad you found us 
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I'm still awake against my will What will it ever take To still this burning in me?
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« Reply #46 on: August 19, 2007, 20:08 » |
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"Asking myself "What would Lisa do?" always helps,..." Great post Kasper! You know those WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?) bracelets? You just gave me a brilliant idea. How about one that says WWLD?! 
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"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best night and day to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle any human being can fight and never stop fighting." e.e.c.
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« Reply #47 on: August 19, 2007, 20:09 » |
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lizard_queenWWLD... Nice idea  Hell, why don't we just start a new religion, Lisaism?  I'm sure we'd have more than one joiner from this forum.
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« Reply #48 on: August 19, 2007, 20:45 » |
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lizard_queenHaha, that's not a bad idea actually  A nice lil' accessory to remind me to think straight more often ^-^
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« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2007, 00:05 » |
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lizard_queenWWLD... Nice idea  Hell, why don't we just start a new religion, Lisaism?  I'm sure we'd have more than one joiner from this forum. Lisaism sounds great, GH!!!  We would need 10 commandments inspired by Lisa's ideas and lifestyle. Or maybe 50... heh. Star Wars became a religion, so I dont see why not! She is such an inspirational figure and a great role model.
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"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best night and day to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle any human being can fight and never stop fighting." e.e.c.
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« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2007, 19:33 » |
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lizard_queenWe would need 10 commandments inspired by Lisa's ideas and lifestyle Hey, it's an interesting idea  But I suppose some of Lisa's lifestyle ideas cannot be combined with lifestyle of some of her adorers (at least me). Although Lisa herself was fan of Corey, we saw, that she likes independent active people, quite mature, with some defined life purposes. But many people here a bit addictive and adore Lisa without sharing all her views (which are also controversial), and also she is a buddhist, so would she like religion with severe commandments? Maybe just one: learn during all your life and try don't hurt anyone doing this. Kinda like this...
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« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2007, 20:55 » |
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brakusaetsyaTruth and a share of wisdom in there, ten points!  "Lisaism" sounds way off, it's just not "Lisa"  Maybe just one: learn during all your life and try don't hurt anyone doing this. True, I've actually been wanting to draw a chart, just for fun (and maybe as a guideline when I'm unsure), for what I personally think would be the ideal action for most situations on a moral/ethic based algorithm. Basic idea being that it circles around how each action affects other people in a good/bad way... Ah, it involves too many technicalities to explain here  Things will always be controversial though, but just a wacky project xD
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« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2007, 20:04 » |
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I hope Lisaism will resemble Buddhism more than any other religion... no cults, no commandments that turn you into a slave, no stupid statements like "this religion is the only one, others are wrong", just simple foundations that make you a human. Like "live and let others live", I dunno. This line learn during all your life and try don't hurt anyone doing this. sounds wise, I like it. 
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« Reply #53 on: September 01, 2007, 20:38 » |
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Dagdamor I actually don't think such a thing could be called "religion", to me a religion is basically speculations around things that have no explanation, things that cannot be proved or disproved. "Belief" if you will. Go to heaven/hell, get your virgins and a river of honey, existence is suffering - be a good person and reach nirvana... Basically it's a bunch of ideas that could be presented by anyone, there's never any hard evidence... I'm not denying the fact that there may be a god, in fact, we're all ignorant as to what brought us here or what will happen when we die, I just don't think it's right to assume that one of these is right. Live well and always do your best to be a good person, should it really have to be any harder than that? Yes, let's make a bunch of promises of what awaits you if you do what I think is right, and throw in a "hell" that's so horrifying that people are scared into belief. Religion causes conflicts and often drives people to do the wrong thing, either the believers or the non believers. So even if the teachings usually have a nice ring to them it often drives people the wrong direction. I've got waaaaaaaaaaay more to say, but bottom line; religion causes controversy on a massive scale, which inevitably makes it a source of suffering, one person can't accept the next persons beliefs, things turn ugly. I hate it when I start thinking about these things, but I couldn't imagine "Lisaism" as a "religion", because it should be purely about seeing logic and good reasoning. No lies or belief that isn't solid. Apologies to any religious person reading this, I respect your beliefs, I just don't think it's worth it.
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« Reply #54 on: September 01, 2007, 20:50 » |
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KasperOh, don't worry about that, I'm an atheist too  learned about several different religions, but didn't find anything suitable. I mentioned Buddhism above only because from all religions I know, this one is the most calm and tolerant one. But I don't share it either, so Lisa is the only goddess for me now  (I'm half-joking of course, but she does mean much to me.) Maybe I said it wrong, but what I meant is, I also don't want Lisaism to turn into "yet another religion", and I agree, it's not even a religion at all, it looks more like a good idea, a set of principles. If I accumulate all my views about Lisa into the single phrase, it would sound like "be nice to the others", or even simpler, "be optimistic".
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« Reply #55 on: September 01, 2007, 20:58 » |
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KasperI don't think anyone here meant respecting Lisa as a god, like people she created in one of THOH-episodes did or something like this  For me that "lisaism" could mean simple following her. Struggling for something important for you, enjoying study, giggling and acting like stupid when nice boy appears, and changing things around you as you can. But Lisa, as I said, likes, when people act independently, not being brainwashed by some idols. And also, I think some people here want to be with Lisa, not as Lisa. So, even it couldn't be religion exactly, existence of any followers of this "lisaism" will be a paradox. UPD. Oh, all that sound like a nonsence  I just wanted to say, that if there is some thing calling "lisaism", it's completely unique for every lisadorer. And it differs from one person to another more than branches of christianity, I suppose 
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« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2007, 21:01 » |
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GeorgeHarrison (to this post) True, and both me and Kasper understand perfectly that Christianity is more than those stories told in the Bible, or church routines, or ceremonies, or whatever. But who can be a spiritual leader for you and who cannot, everyone decides for himself. Someone can follow Spongebob, I don't care about that, as long as it makes him/her happy, I see no harm. 
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« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2007, 21:09 » |
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Well, whatever makes them happy... I'd say though that people who followed cartoon characters as spiritual leaders were just the kind of atheists that like to mock religion. 
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« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2007, 21:17 » |
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* Response to GeorgeHarrison is pointed at this post GeorgeHarrisonI'm glad you see it this way, I didn't mean that religion promotes violence, but there have been, are, and will be conflicts around this (similar to the crusades you mentioned and people scaring other people into believing) as long as people can interpret these religions as the one true answer, like there couldn't possibly be any other way. This is courtesy of the fallacious human mind, our nature, just like animals, we have our ways. And please don't misinterpret the last sentence. I commend you for staying true to your beliefs! brakusaetsya Again you speak wisely. I may also add that the thought of worshipping Lisa as a God never even crossed my mind. DagdamorIndeed, prince Siddharthas cause is noble. I was actually thinking of becoming a buddhist before I tossed aside the idea of being part of a religion, even if I didn't completely share the beliefs.
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« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2007, 22:43 » |
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I view Lisa and Winged Lisa as one person. Mainly because I see both as sweet, pure, and innocent; but the winged Lisa as a physical manifestation of all of that.
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