Dagdamor agrees with me? W00t!

On a serious note, I think it should have been pretty clear to Lisa that Hugh, being the stuffy-Mark-Darcy-esque British stereotype that he is, would not take to Lisa's oddball family. And I stand by my opinion that, if the Simpsons were real people and your potential in-laws you would have reservations.

Ygg, I will respond to your post later, I am feeling a bit tired right not.

Lisa is not arrogant, just different. Maybe she thinks she's always right, but it happens that she usually is.  This only makes her logical.  She is smart and she knows it. I think she has a great self esteem as she's not afraid of expressing her opinions.  It's not her fault she's perfect.    (ok, ok maybe not perfect)

There was a moment in Lisa's life, when she did a really bad thing to Homer.

I'm talking about the 4F17 "The Old Man and the Lisa" episode. No, I don't mean the fact that Lisa refused to take the money in the end of it. Lisa did the right thing, and I can only admire her power that moment. But what happened later, in the hospital, there Homer has landed... that was nothing but cruel. For some reason, Lisa told Homer about the real amount of money she declined, thus almost killing him. I really disliked that moment - I know that was a joke, and Homer survived in the end, but still... *sigh* call me whatever you want, but if, say, Marge would punish Lisa for that act, I'd say Marge is right. Lisa shouldn't have done that imho, she should have think first.

Why I've posted about it here? Because the desire to make everything "right", to arrange everything around you, sometimes leads to very bad consequences. I know... Unfortunately, this tendency is very noticeable in Lisa, too. Sometimes it's a bless, but more often it's a flaw. Depends on a situation, but as weird as it sounds, some degree of indifference never hurts.

I don't agree with that, I really don't think anyone should be punished for speaking the truth and ultimately that's what it was.   A quiet reminder that it was neither the time nor the place to break that particular news would be fair enough but I would take an extremely dim view of any parent who punished a child for simply saying what was true.   Sure, under certain circumstances it is better to just keep quiet and this is something we learn as we grow up, a child of Lisa's age wouldn't necessarily appreciate this.   Again, I think this ties in with the Childishness of Lisa thread as kids often do just go ahead and say things without thinking - I know did  (and sometimes still do  )   Lisa is also a very honest person and she has a strong sense of personal integrity.   Her first instinct in this situation would be to tell the truth and with the impulsiveness of a child, that's what she did.   On this occasion it was the wrong choice just as conversely, in Lisa the Iconoclast she made the right choice (possibly...) and fought hard against her strong instinct for honesty and chose to hide the truth from the townspeople.   I'm not so sure this is a flaw, I think it's more a matter of age and experience of life.     

Hmm? I never really noticed this moment as being very bad...

I guess when you look at what happened, it turned out to be bad, but no one can really blame her. She was just correcting Homer, as she usually does. Although it probably is better to leave such things unsaid, it's by no means a sin to speak the truth. If Marge punished Lisa for this I would've been shocked and appalled.

Yggdrasill
I understand completely that a lot of parents out there are much worse than Homer and Marge. Maybe Homer isn't the best father, but he usually means well, and is by no means a sadist or a tyrant. Marge is the same, she means well for her family, and is the more competent of the two parents. Still, a parent should understand their children, and when to punish them; in a situation like this, Lisa shouldn't be punished, even if it probably was better to keep her mouth shut. She didn't know she would cause Homer to have another heart attack... and it wasn't like she insulted him or anything On this moment I think that we may be going a little far.

As for age and intellect, Lisa has not a lot of life experience, true, but her maturity and intelligence levels make up for this in certain areas. As for life experience, personally I don't think that it would help much here. A person would naturally think Well that's not right, actually it was... and then correct the person. Like I said, it was not the most tactful thing to do, but she was in no way disobedient, or anything else that may warrant punishment Like I said, I would've been pretty upset if Marge chose to punish Lisa over something as trivial as this.

Well, as I said, I saw it as Lisa's childish, impulsive side getting the better of her rational, intellectual side on that occasion.   I agree it was totally the wrong thing for her to do at that point (although if you're going to get that sort of news, at least if you're in hospital there are plenty of medics on hand to deal with the consequences... ) and I doubt whether, on reflection, Lisa could have explained why she did it either! 

dantheman40k
What exactly?