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Thats right, like it or not, Lisa has her flaws. OurFavourateEightYearOldGirl [OFEYOG] is just like all of us. I will now list OFEYOG's negative character traits. 1. Short Temper Lisa has a very short temper. Examples of her agressive outbursts include; Yelling at Homer and calling him a baboon, threatening Bart with a syrup bottle, the 'pig' incident in LTV. 2. Arrogance Case in point; being in tolorant of peoples beliefs in Lisa The Skeptic, ditto in Lisa the Veg Please dont hold this against me, I still like Lisa.  |
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2007, 21:15 » |
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Everyone has flaws, but that's not a reason to dislike someone  Those flaws also make her (and the rest of the Simpsons cast) more human than most other cartoon characters. |
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2007, 23:39 » |
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I cant list anymore than that really...  Maybe a big bum? * Casper is stabbed |
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2007, 01:35 » |
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HOMER: Big bum is not a flaw! It's a damnation! *cries, runs away* Of course Lisa has flaws, like any person does. But correct me if I'm wrong, her "bad" sides are always shown in "arguable" situations... for example, she called Homer a baboon not just to make him feel bad, like some of kids sometimes do. She did that because Homer admitted that he doesn't care about her, and she had no other way to protest that - he wouldn't listen to her if she used calm words. If your father says that he doesn't care about you, how should you react? Should you call him something bad to tell him he shouldn't act like that, or should you just swallow it and live with it further? Maybe I'm exaggerating, but you have to agree that Homer did act like a baboon there. But nevertheless, Lisa isn't a perfect creature, and thankfully, doesn't behave like Ned Flanders. I'd add "Jealousy" and "Control" to the list. Both inclinations are noticeable in Lisa imho; they are good when she keeps them under management because they force her to be better and to make things around her better, but when one of them gets loose... that can lead to very interesting and funny situations... P.S. "OurFavourateEightYearOldGirl [OFEYOG]" - Hey! That was mean.  And there is no "Favourate" word in English. |
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2007, 21:01 » |
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HOMER: Big bum is not a flaw! It's a damnation! *cries, runs away* Of course Lisa has flaws, like any person does. But correct me if I'm wrong, her "bad" sides are always shown in "arguable" situations... for example, she called Homer a baboon not just to make him feel bad, like some of kids sometimes do. She did that because Homer admitted that he doesn't care about her, and she had no other way to protest that - he wouldn't listen to her if she used calm words. If your father says that he doesn't care about you, how should you react? Should you call him something bad to tell him he shouldn't act like that, or should you just swallow it and live with it further? Maybe I'm exaggerating, but you have to agree that Homer did act like a baboon there. I knew I should have added a disclaimer. In all the times that she has lost her temper they were in certain circumstances. I am not saying Lisa is a bad peroson just cause she called her father a name ( there are far worse words beginning with 'B' that she could have called him;])But nevertheless, Lisa isn't a perfect creature, and thankfully, doesn't behave like Ned Flanders. I'd add "Jealousy" and "Control" to the list. Both inclinations are noticeable in Lisa imho; they are good when she keeps them under management because they force her to be better and to make things around her better, but when one of them gets loose... that can lead to very interesting and funny situations... Oh most definatly, Lisa's Rival mand Girly Edition are examples where Lisa shows her competative side. I suppose you could add Lisa On Ice in there as well.P.S. "OurFavourateEightYearOldGirl [OFEYOG]" - Hey! That was mean. And there is no "Favourate" word in English.lol |
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2007, 21:37 » |
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I agree with Dag that Lisa doesn't really have a "short" temper. She can get really pissed at some times (Summer of 4 ft 2 and the other episodes that have already been named here), but she doesn't just get angry. Someone must really make her mad before that happens. Another possible bad side of Lisa is that she's having problems playing along on her sax with the other kids at school during band practice. We see that in the intro of every Simpsons episode and it also happened in "Moaning Lisa" and probably in some other episodes too. I personallly don't have any problems with this, but it could be annoying for the teacher and the other kids there. They could see this as a "bad side" |
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2007, 08:24 » |
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Of course, everyone has their problems. |
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2007, 09:45 » |
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Of course, everyone has their problems This, people, is a wise man  anyway, of course Lis has flaws that were rightfully described by Dan, Dagdamor and even what Suusje said could be seen as an unpleasant side (although i wouldnt say "bad"). |
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2007, 22:35 » |
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dantheman40kYeah, the short temper is her real problem. But for me it is dignity. Cause it allow to Lisa always remains herself. She, as a rule, yells and argues when her views of life are extremely touched or not supported by associates (except for cases of childish insults: "Lisa, will you marry with carrot?"). Especially I would like to be more unchained in expressing my feelings like Lisa...Eh! From the lacks I would notevery unpleasant one.  She has some refinement of her revenge... She can easily lose feeling of a measure if to let to her know that she is right and the revenge is "lawful". That we also observed in "On a clear day...". Another case - episode "Duffless": torturing Bart with experiences for sake the only purpose - to humiliate him in public (that he is more blunt than hamster). Isn't it the refinement revenge? Dagdamor""Jealousy" and "Control"...when one of them gets loose... that can lead to very interesting and funny situations..."Like those two case that I've mentioned. When her "jealosy", in the general case - "the aggravated sense of truth", leaves from under the rigid control then causes similar "failures". Maybe buddhism with its meditations and aspiration to self-knowledge will allow Lisa to understand herself better. But it certainly the business of the future... Suusje"She can get really pissed at some times...but she doesn't just get angry. Someone must really make her mad before that happens."Or just to be "wrong". Do you remember the the scene from "She of little faith"? When she yells at whole church and dispute against the reverend. As the reason for her "fit of anger" was poor pizza mascot. Or from the recent series - "G.I. (Annoyed Grunt)" when she being the member of P.E.T.A. throws with a red paint into Krusty because his coat was made of some fur animals. I am more and more trend to idea, that Lisa wants not "truly fair" world, but such world that would satisfy her own visions of justice and objectivity. And that's another her flaw - subjectivity in sights.
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2007, 19:32 » |
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I'm going to say something now. I know this is going to stir up a tempest of contoversy so if your easily upset or angered I suggest you scroll on.
Here Goes:
In the episode 'Lisa's Wedding' I always thought Lisa was being a bit too demanding of Hugh. She expects him to accept her family with out any regard for his own feelings. Now, before you jump on me let me just ask you to just put yourself in Hugh's shoes, would YOU want to be around a family like the Simpsons? We saw, in 'Homer's Enemy' how a character from 'the real world' would react to Homer. Hugh is from the same world that Frank Grimes comes from.
OK Hugh was not very tactfull in voicing his dislike of Lisa's family but the fact remains that Lisa was being rather arrogant in demanding that Hugh accept her family when clearly he couldnt do that.
Well, the taxi to the airport with the false passports has just arrived, the scars from the plasic surgery still havnt faded but with any luck noone will recognise me. By the time you read this, I will be in Havana!
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2007, 19:55 » |
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Run Dan, run for your life! *is stampeded by angry mob*  This is a very interesting point, though, and i'm sure it would stir up an interesting discussion. I'm half-thinking of making a whole new thread for it. As for the question.. Let's see, if i was in Hugh shoes... would i put up with the Simpsons Family, for Lisa and her love? Well, Yes, i would. It would surely be hard at first to get adjusted to it... and probably i'd break a few bones but, it would be definitely worth it, even because Lisa would surely appreciate it to no end. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2007, 19:56 » |
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dantheman40kSimpson family certainly not perfect relatives, but as i remember, Lisa didn't ask Hugh to accept her relatives totally, she wants just see her family regularly after wedding and make Homer happy seeing his present (pig-collar-buttons ) on Hugh. That's not so much, I think.
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2007, 21:20 » |
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Lisa didn't want Hugh to completely accept her family. When she was talking to him during/before the wedding, he said "I'm glad when we get back to England and we won't have to deal with them anymore." That sounds to me like he did want to cut Lisa's family out of her life.
If I were Hugh, I would probably have severe doubts if I would fall through the floor into a pile of manure while being in the Simpsons' home. Homer and Bart didn't exactly make a great first impression either.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2007, 01:01 » |
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dantheman40kHugh was more than tactless. "You're like a flower that grew out of a pot of dirt." ....... SimpRealI must agree 100%, it might be hard to adapt to the Simpson family, but putting up with them would be easy as pie with Lisa by my side. I love her so much, I would walk through fire and then some for her. Actually I think the Simpson lifestyle would be quite funny I think I'd have a better sense of humor than Hugh, also wouldn't be so dumb as to accept a ride from Homer...
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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2007, 08:06 » |
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GeorgeHarrisonActually I think the Simpson lifestyle would be quite funny *imagines Hugh in 20 years laying on the sofa with a donut* I think, both Lisa and Hugh were wrong a bit in this situation. They both are wise people, and maybe if they tried enough, they might find a compromise. All they need - patiently discuss it, when Hugh calmed down from meeting Lisa's family. Maybe Lisa shouldn't arrange marriage in Springfield - just introduce her fiance and then think about Hugh's reaction and possible solutions.
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